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What is the price of a good education?

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: What is the price of a good education? Reply with quote

http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9340150


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Recently, slots in Hong Kong's international schools have become precious. The economy is booming in China's tailwind, attracting well-paid expatriates. Prosperous local residents, meanwhile, are deserting local schools because of what is seen as deterioration in English-language teaching since the reversion to Chinese sovereignty in 1997. It is not just the very rich who are worried: early this month a small group of not very well-off South Asian residents marched through central Hong Kong, demanding more schooling in English, arguing their children were suffering from having to attend classes conducted in Chinese.

Demand is high, supply is limited, and the results, at the top end of the market, are predictable: soaring prices. In 2004, the price of a debenture at the Chinese International School, possibly the most sought-after institution, sold for HK$600,000 ($77,000). On June 9th the South China Morning Post splashed on its front page a report that a family had paid HK $1m for a debenture, and then entered its child in the school's first grade. Similar, if less dramatic, price increases were reported at other international schools.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IF29Ad01.html

While this article almost gets lost among the huge number discussing "changes since the handover", it does touch on the issues mentioned in the original post from The Economist:


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For Chis Forse, a Briton who has called the city his home since 1974, Hong Kong's biggest problem since the handover is its educational system. As director of student services for the English Schools Foundation (ESF), a network of 20 English-language schools originally established to serve British expatriates, Forse sees middle-class Chinese families increasingly giving up on Hong Kong's outdated, rote-driven schools and forking over the necessary tuition to attend ESF and other international schools in the city.

"Education is one of the least successful sectors since 1997," he said, "at least in the eyes of the public. The Chinese middle class is voting with their feet ... I would say that the ESF is one of the British administration's great gifts to Hong Kong. A system that was once 70% British is now 50% Chinese and serving English-speaking and bilingual Chinese children."



You will also find a few words devoted to the "Chris Venables situation"!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Forse's comments are a little duplicitous.
He says that ESF was 70% British (which is true) and is now 50% Chinese (which is also true).
However when he then goes on to say this is because of the failing of the local public school system, he's being disingenuous.
Since 1997, the number of Western expats - especially British ones - have fallen significantly.

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According to census data, between 1996 and 2006, the number of British citizens living in Hong Kong plunged 85%, from 175,000 to 25,000. American and Canadian populations have also declined. Last year there were 15,000 fewer Americans (down 53%) and 20,000 fewer Canadians (down 63%) calling the SAR home than there were in 1996.
Overall, there has been a 23% drop in the number of Gweilo, from 47,000 to 36,000, in the past five years alone (2001-2006)
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In 1996, there were 594,000 foreigners in Hong Kong, or 9.6% of the total population. The proportion dropped to 6.7% in 2001, but the ranks have been rising since then, to 7.1% in 2006. As the old guard left, they have been replaced by others from developing nations who are attracted to Hong Kong's booming economy. For example, between 1996 and 2006 there was an influx of 9,000 South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans), a 43% increase. During the same period, the number of Indonesians leaped fivefold to 110,000, making them the third-largest group behind mainland Chinese and Filipinos. Overseas ethnic Chinese are also migrating to Hong Kong. From 1996 to 2006, their numbers increased 33% to 86,000, making them the fourth largest group.



(above taken from http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1630244_1630240_1630193,00.html

ESF was not only forced to accept local Chinese (and other races) students, it actively went out enrolling them. It HAD to, otherwise it'd have folded.

When Forse says the reason for the new racial make-up of ESF schools is solely due to lack of faith in the public education system, he is either lying to himself or lying to us.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serious_Fun wrote:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IF29Ad01.html

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The Chinese middle class is voting with their feet ... I would say that the ESF is one of the British administration's great gifts to Hong Kong. A system that was once 70% British is now 50% Chinese and serving English-speaking and bilingual Chinese children."



That is certainly nice after-dinner speech soundbite rhetoric. There is a little footnote we can add, though. The ESF school system was only a 'gift' to and only 'serves' those who are able and willing to pay tuition fees of $8,000 HK per month per child (secondary school level).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

11:59 wrote:
That is certainly nice after-dinner speech soundbite rhetoric. There is a little footnote we can add, though. The ESF school system was only a 'gift' to and only 'serves' those who are able and willing to pay tuition fees of $8,000 HK per month per child (secondary school level).

$8000 plus some.
wait. make that plus a whole frigging lot more.

A friend of mine wanted to enroll her son in an ESF school. He has learning difficulties due to a undiagnosed hearing loss when he was a few months old - leading to him not developing his language skills fully.
ESF only to happy to help him - at an EXTRA cost of $2000 per week on top of their normal school fees.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a NET in HK I can only concur (in general terms) that there are major problems with the public education system in HK. It's a bit of a self-perpetuating cycle. Ypu can blame the schools for being obsessed with exams and having a strong emphasis upon rote learning. But there are also social forces impinging upon the schools' capacity for change. Parents pressure schools for exam results, and realistically, even if a student has the greatest analytical and creative capacities on the planet, he/she is deemed a failure if he/she cannot get into a good uni - and only something like 28% get into a real uni in HK (or something round that figure, if my memory serves me correctly). Parents often demand homework, even when it is utterly pointless. And what is this dictation stuff - surely the most mindless waste of time, and something that went out decades ago in most developed nations? Then there is the Chinese cultural problem - chiku nailao - you have to "eat bitterness and endure labour". Work thus has a tendency to become and end in itself, rather than a means to an end. Last week in my school we had a three hour meeting to discuss the "attitude" marks that were going on the report cards. But the meeting was utterly pointless. Teachers had already listed their attitude marks - why go through every damn class in the school to discuss it? If the student got most "A" ratings from his teachers, give him an "A", most "B" ratings give him a "B" and so on. I confess, much of what goes on is beyond me, and can only be explained in resepect to chiku nailao.

The world is changing, but HK's education's culture and education system is not keeping up. In a generation's time HK will be nothing but an obedient puppy at the feet of the mainland master.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Chinese middle class is voting with their feet ... I would say that the ESF is one of the British administration's great gifts to Hong Kong. A system that was once 70% British is now 50% Chinese and serving English-speaking and bilingual Chinese children."

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Overseas ethnic Chinese are also migrating to Hong Kong. From 1996 to 2006, their numbers increased 33% to 86,000, making them the fourth largest group.

When you consider these two quotes together, I'd say a pretty easy connection can be made there.
Which means of course that ESF is still not serving the locals - it's still just for rich expats. Only the colour of the faces have changed.
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