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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: New Foundation Year Program in Khobar |
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http://www.saadeducation.com/mainsite/careers.aspx
The fashion now seems to be... if you have the money, start a private foundation/prep year program in Saudi, and you will get the students and the money.
Anyway, I just came across that ad, and it is a program being setup by Saad Group, which runs a K-12 school, a communications disorder center, and a college of nursing (latter in collaboration with University of Ulster). They are setting up the Foundation Program with the help of City University (London).
P.S. They have a hospital as well in Khobar, a huge 600 bed "Saad National Hospital". Surely some people here must know of it. How is it (in terms of service and management)? They have a few other businesses as well, including a bunch of residential compounds, resorts, and the Oasis Hotel (http://www.oasisresorts.net). Here is their main site: http://www.saadgroup.com. BTW, expensive Italian marble is used liberally (as seen in pics on their websites) in all of their businesses, whether hospitals, schools, or of course, hotels.
Main thing is, like the Al Faisal University's (UPP) program (recruitment by Amideast), they are saying:
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| The Foundation Year Programme, [...], aims to become an educational benchmark of excellence in the region. |
Both of them are starting brand spanking new in 2007. I would be very very curious to see how they go. I really do hope they succeed. Not only would it be good for the country, but also for us to apply there for jobs in the future.
BTW, this is in Khobar. Wonder how much they will pay...?!
Anybody think they will apply? FYI, the ad is posted on THES' website (Times Higher Education Supplement).
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A good indicator of the professionalism of the program would be the quality of their private English-medium K-12 school (or any of their other businesses) running in Khobar for over a decade (Saad National Schools). Anybody know of this school, and the quality of management, staff, and education?
See this picture of the lobby of the school... looks like a 5-star hotel!
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If the picture doesn't show, click here: http://www.saadgroup.com/uploadImages/9781d3a7-62f0-46e3-9838-40817306cfbc.jpg
See all pics here: http://www.saadschools.com/photo_gallery/index.asp
Even from the outside it looks like more than a mere Saudi school:
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http://www.saadgroup.com/uploadImages/a59b1656-9e79-4f47-ba63-7dd1fd4fc0c1.jpg
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: Re: New Foundation Year Program in Khobar |
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| trapezius wrote: |
| Main thing is, like the Al Faisal University's (UPP) program (recruitment by Amideast), they are saying: |
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| The Foundation Year Programme, [...], aims to become an educational benchmark of excellence in the region. |
Yep, that seems to be the case and, if the money they're spending on things like the schools, salaries and accommodation and whatnot is anything to go by, then they both should be decent places to work for.
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| Both of them are starting brand spanking new in 2007. I would be very very curious to see how they go. I really do hope they succeed. Not only would it be good for the country, but also for us to apply there for jobs in the future.! |
Yep, I agree 100% I have a friend starting there in August, so I'm going to be following his movements to see what transpires.
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| BTW, this is in Khobar. Wonder how much they will pay...?!! |
Don't know, but I do know UPP are paying approx $US54K + housing and other benefits.
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| See this picture of the lobby of the school... looks like a 5-star hotel! |
Yes, it looks pretty swanky as does the UPP accommodation building pics - see below.
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| BTW, expensive Italian marble is used liberally (as seen in pics on their websites) in all of their businesses, whether hospitals, schools, or of course, hotels. |
The accommodation on offer at UPP is also quite decent looking and has lots of marble:
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: New Foundation Year Program in Khobar |
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| trapezius wrote: |
Anyway, I just came across that ad, and it is a program being setup by Saad Group, which runs a K-12 school, a communications disorder center, and a college of nursing (latter in collaboration with University of Ulster). They are setting up the Foundation Program with the help of City University (London).
Anybody think they will apply? FYI, the ad is posted on THES' website (Times Higher Education Supplement). |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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The AMIDEAST involvement may suggest that they will get some good people as they have a pretty good track record of choosing qualified people.
I think that they ran an ad here on Dave's awhile back. Or it may have been a different place... I thought that was in Riyadh.
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that they ran an ad here on Dave's awhile back. Or it may have been a different place... I thought that was in Riyadh. |
Yes that was for the Al Faisal University's prep year program called UPP. Al Faisal University is in Riyadh and will start operation in Fall 2008. In anticipation of that, UPP starts in 2007. But UPP is the prep year program of a university, and so, students after finishing the program have the option to contniue to university there (as almost all will) or choose any other university in the country or abroad.
But this Saad Group's program in Khobar is unique in that it is not part of any university; the group does not operate any university, so the students at the end of the program will have to go to other universities in the country, or abroad.
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| Don't know, but I do know UPP are paying approx $US54K + housing and other benefits. |
Really that much? Their official ad said $43-50K, suggesting 50K was the upper limit.
BTW, can you please pm me the link(s) to the picture(s) you posted?
Also what did you say in your second post? PM please. Thanks! |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I saw it... it was a job link... which this advertising supported board tends to pull if they catch it.
But it does tell you how to find it.
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| trapezius wrote: |
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| Don't know, but I do know UPP are paying approx $US54K + housing and other benefits. |
Really that much? Their official ad said $43-50K, suggesting 50K was the upper limit. |
Yes, I have two friends who were interviewed and confirmed this amount.
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| BTW, can you please pm me the link(s) to the picture(s) you posted? |
I'm a little irritated by these pics being lifted from the page! OK, I admit I should have cropped them down a bit, but if there is a facility to upload pics, then why are they removed by the mods afterwards? That doesn't make sense: it's like giving someone the keys to a Ferrari and then telling them they can't drive it!!
Can someone please tell me what the protocol on this board is for uploading pics so that I don't make this same mistake again? (whatever the mistake was as I have no idea.)
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| Also what did you say in your second post? PM please. Thanks! |
My second post was merely a link to the ad on on the THES site you mentioned above which it never occurred to me would be committing a faux pas: isn't the whole point here to share information about jobs, experiences etc?
Sometimes, the mods here are a little too keen to remove material without really thinking about the reason it was posted.
Nuff said
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| The AMIDEAST involvement may suggest that they will get some good people as they have a pretty good track record of choosing qualified people. |
Yes, my two friends here are very qualified with MAs, IELTS Examiner testing status, various TEFL teaching certs. and bags of experience.
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| I think that they ran an ad here on Dave's awhile back. Or it may have been a different place... I thought that was in Riyadh. |
Yeah, the ad was on Daves and for positions in Riyadh. You could've seen some of the pics of the accommodation building had the mods not been so enthusiastic about removing them. PM me if you want to see them.
Cheers
Balzac |
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Trapezius,
just thought I'd let you know that I got a reply from Saad group already and, given I only applied yesterday, that was pretty fast!!
Now I'm the one feeling 'saaaaad' as they knocked me back:
"Dear Mr. Balzac (name changed of course!),
I write to you further to your application and expression of interest in a position with Saad Specialist Hospital.
Your application has been carefully reviewed, but unfortunately, we currently do not have any requirements for your qualifications and experience. However, we would like to keep your file on record and contact you should our situation change."
Seems to me (a) they alreday have their full complement of teachers, or (b) they're looking for super-duper high end qualifications!
for the record, I have 10 years teaching experience in EFL, EAP, Exam Prep, Business English, International School experience, a CELTA, In-house Business Teaching Cert., MA Writing, P.hD Writing (ongoing) if that means they 'do not have any requirements for your [my] qualifications and experience' then what exactly is it they're looking for? Beats me!
Good luck with your application!
Cheers
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Balzac... maybe you were overqualified. That was meant as a joke, but sometimes it happens that applicants are not considered because the person reading the CVs may fear that you would be after their job.
As to the pictures and the link removal. The job link was an obvious cut since as I said, this is an advertising supported board. The forum is for discussion of jobs, not the advertising of jobs - it is not as though Dave charges big bucks to run an ad on the 'jobs section.' Fair enough as its his sandbox, so he gets to make the rules.
Normally pictures get pulled because someone complains. Remember many people still have sucky dial-up or high speed that often seems to crawl. I have super high speed and use Firefox and the pictures in the first post definitely bogged up the load and never did open for me. Your pictures came through, but they were huge and broke the margins. I expect that there was a complaint... and they just cut them all.
It was just a typical ugly marble entry way all too common around the Gulf...  |
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Balzac,
Thanks for the heads up.
I applied yesterday as well, then received an immediate reply with an application form. I sent the application form this morning, and in the afternoon, received this:
"Dear Mr. Trapezius,
We have received your completed application form with many thanks and will be in contact with you shortly.
In the meantime, we invite you to visit our websites www.saadrecruitment.com and www.saadgroup.com for further information on what we have to offer.
Thank you and Kind Regards"
I am sorry about your application
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| I have 10 years teaching experience in EFL, EAP, Exam Prep, Business English, International School experience, a CELTA, In-house Business Teaching Cert., MA Writing, P.hD Writing (ongoing) |
Yeah, beats me what they are looking for in EFL teachers. I am in math, so unfortunately I couldn't post my fewer qualifications and experience here to trump you, as they are different areas
Thanks for the good luck wishes.
trap
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Balzac
Maybe they read your posts here ! |
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Hey Balzac... maybe you were overqualified. That was meant as a joke, but sometimes it happens that applicants are not considered because the person reading the CVs may fear that you would be after their job. |
I know exactly what you mean as it happened in my last job. I was the most qualified teacher there (and one of the longest) but all the coordinators and junior management were found wanting in the qualifications department and in fact none of them even had MAs which is one of the main reasons I left as it was a typical 'pack mentality' where if you kissed ass and sucked up, your lack of experience and qualifications counted for a whole lot more!
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| As to the pictures and the link removal. The job link was an obvious cut since as I said, this is an advertising supported board. The forum is for discussion of jobs, not the advertising of jobs - it is not as though Dave charges big bucks to run an ad on the 'jobs section.' Fair enough as its his sandbox, so he gets to make the rules. |
Yeah, fully agree with that tho still think the pages to jobs should be optional and sharing links to jobs should be considered ok as long as it is not serially abused. A little ease of the rules wouldn't hurt when the poster is not profiting by helping another board member, but yeah, I get your point.
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| Normally pictures get pulled because someone complains. Remember many people still have sucky dial-up or high speed that often seems to crawl. I have super high speed and use Firefox and the pictures in the first post definitely bogged up the load and never did open for me. Your pictures came through, but they were huge and broke the margins. I expect that there was a complaint... and they just cut them all. |
Again, as I said before, the pics were a bit big and should have been cropped back. Do you happen to know what the official size of pics is allowed? Would be good to know for the future. I use ADSL but only the basic package which isn't always as fast as it should be. I suppose I should've thought more about all those people out tere who don't have access to broadband. In future, I'll just post the links to the pics on photobucket.com and let people view them from there.
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It was just a typical ugly marble entry way all too common around the Gulf... |
Yeah, I only wanted to show it to Trapezius as he mentioned so much marble on the SAAD job compound.
cheers
Balzac |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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I found that after a few years in the Gulf, I had OD'd on marble...
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Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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It seems some candidates have the 6th sense of prophecy, and know about the experience and qualifications of other candidates, and they can judge beforehand that they are the best qualified and most experienced!!
What a prophecy and what an over-confidence! |
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