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[Symphany]

I have noticed in the last 5 years that I have began to research, study, and then finally teach abroad, is that while the CELTA and TESOL certificates seem to be the mostly widely recognized both worldwide and in Canada respectively, the Bachelor of Ed seems to be King (or Queen) when it comes to teaching certifications.

In China, for instance, the pay rate can go up three times what the norm is for having a teaching certification. In Japan and Korea, the pay goes up slightly, but from what I hear work conditions and security are vastly improved once you're holding that certificate.

Even in Toronto, the Toronto District schoolboard adult school programs don't seem to hire without this bachelor of Ed certification, that only focuses on elementary and highschool students to my knowledge. I am not interested in teaching in public school or highschool (I'm interested in teaching adults, preferably in a university or college setting but outside that is fine also) from my understanding through the requirements stated on job advertisements and people who have posted here, is that people can get hired to teach adults using the BEd. If this is the case, does anyone know of a school or program that is

A. In Canada, preferably in Ontario

B. In the United States, if so preferably the east-coast, ie New York

C. Online

where I can earn a Bachelor of Ed cert (I already have a BA) and focused on teaching adults? I know there are alot of Adult ed programs out there but those I have reviewed don't reward you with the prized teaching certificate that is recognized worldwide.

[naturegirl321]

I don't know about a BEd, but as far as teaching certs go, you can get one from NJ, USA without having to go back to school. I could, in theory, if I wanted to, teachin NJ public schools. I have a cert of eligbility. In order to get a teaching license, I would have to teach there for a couple of years.

As far as time goes, I think that the ones in the UK, or OZ or NZ are shorter than in the US, I really don't konw about Canada. In the UK, a PCGE should only take a year.

[GambateBingBangBOOM]

Brock U has the only B.Ed that I know of, but there are a tonne of Master of Education programs in Adult Education. You don't need a B.Ed to do an M.Ed.

http://adult.ed.brocku.ca/degree.html

There's also a B.Ed in Aboriginal Adult Education at the same school.

http://nativeadult.ed.brocku.ca/aboradulted/index.html

An issue you'll run into is that these programs don't lead to Ontario College of Teachers certification, because the Ontario College of Teachers in only concerned with elementary and high school. This is what they are really after.

Again, it's all about the name. Brock used to call its TESL certificate program a B.Ed in TESL, but changed it's name- I heard around the grapevine that they had to because otherwise someone who doesn't teach in the k-12 system might mistakenly thinnk that because they were instructing people, assessing them, guiding them etc, that they were teachers, but they can't be teachers- the good folks at the OCT didn't say they were. Plus, to be a teacher you need students, and as the goverment has silently explained by non-stop cutbacks, if you aren't in regular elementary or high school. then you aren't a 'student'. Students are supported. people who aren't need to be placed in some sort of "others" category.

[Jetgirly]

I live in grad student residence at the University of Calgary, and there are lots of people (relative to the number of people living on campus I suppose) around here doing MAs and MEds in Adult Ed without BEds. I will say I find the Faculty of Education a bit flaky, but I'm not sure how closely connected they are to the Faculty of Graduate Studies. Anyways, you can do an MEd in "Workplace and Adult Learning" here online, but to get an MA you would have to come on campus.

http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar/2007/what/fac/GS/GDER.htm

[ddeubel]

Unfortunately in Canada, you'll need a B.Ed to teach adults. Just the way it works and the B.Ed program is the only one that offers a practicum and thus, hands on teaching/training.

DD