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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: newbie ? - Surviving the Heat |
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I've been lurking around the Middle East forums for a while now, because a stint somewhere in the ME is an option on the table for my family. Both spouse and I have qualifications and experience and could likely swing decent contracts somewhere, with an eye to accumulating some savings.
However, we're in the middle of what passes for a serious heat wave here in the Czech Rep just now, and I'm suffering to an extent that makes me wonder if the ME is a reasonable option for us after all.
You can laugh at me, I can take it, but it's 38 degrees outside and 29 degrees inside and I hate every minute of it.
How bad is the heat in the ME generally? I know the question is too broad - it's a big region and some places are humid and some dryer - dryer is clearly better. Do you just run from AC to AC? Is AC common everywhere?
I'd welcome any input on how hot/what kind of heat/ what options for escaping it are featured in parts of the ME. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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When I lived in Peru I thought I would just melt in the heat, but it's downright chilly compared to Oman! Temperatures in the summer, from what I've heard (haven't lived through it personally, since that's when we get our vacation) get up to 50. In my town, it was at or above 40 pretty much every day starting some time in May--except for a few days when the cyclone passed through. At least it's a dry heat.
I survived by just staying inside in air-conditioned buildings, but I really don't like all that cold, processed air. I had the sniffles off and on for the last several weeks before I left on vacation. And I hated being cooped up inside! Not getting any fresh air! Now that I am back in the US for a couple of months, I spend several hours every day just being outside--walking, sitting in parks and reading, whatever... just to get some fresh air and feel the sun on my skin.
The heat in Oman was tolerable, though, for the few minutes that I was exposed to it each day--walking between buildings on campus, walking to my car, etc.
But now for the good news--winter is really nice there--temperatures in the mid- to high-20s, clear blue skies, etc. And chilly at night.
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miski
Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Today in Kuwait the temp is anwhere around 50+. But saying that, we live most of our life indoors in summer. When I say indoors I don't mean stuck in the house! We drive everywhere and all buildings have AC- most shopping is done in malls so indoors also.
Some maddies do stray outside to the sea...I used to once...but too many sun induced wrinkles now......best to do that between 8 am- 10 am but by then the temp is up to 50 anyway.
The temp stays above 40 until about October. From October until April the temp is lovely. But you can tell a 'long timer' in Kuwait in the month of May when they arrive at work saying ,' It's ONLY 43 today........' |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the responses!
wow.
My parents live in the mid part of the state of Georgia in the US, where it's often above 30 celsius, and humid. It's an armpit, in my view - but I'm very much a northerner (would really like to relocate to Scandinavia, am ok with long nights in winter ).
Anyway, thanks to the parents, I'm well-acquainted with the AC to AC sprint, and it's good news that there are good temps in the 'winters.'
My Russian students say that there IS no bad weather, only inadequate clothing. Is it true for heat as well?
Any further info will continue to be greatly appreciated! |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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hey, and, denise, enjoy your vacation! I am jealous because I haven't got one until at least September this year, but....
at least it's going to be COOL!! |
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canadashirleyblue
Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 162
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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It is VERY hot in the middle east. I think you need to look at the humidity as well. Most of the time it is quite dry and that really makes a difference. There is air conditioning everywhere and you don't go outside much when it is really hot (you probably wouldn't go out much if it was 30 below either). You get to have summer holidays then anyway. It is really hot (I consider above 35 C to be really hot) from maybe the beginning of May until the end of October.
As far as clothing is concerned these are Muslim countries and you have to dress modestly! I used to get sick every year in the winter but I was rarely sick in UAE, Saudi or Kuwait. May or October (change of season?) seems to be the time for illness. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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When you have been here through a summer you begin to appreciate what this place must have been like before electricity and before air-conditioniang. No wonder the locals are..................lethargic ! |
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stoth1972
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 674 Location: Seattle, Washington
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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It really depends on the city, I think. Dubai, Sharjah and Abu Dhabi in the UAE are sweltering hot AND humid, while Al Ain being inland is much less humid, and just hot. Parts of Oman inland are the same. It's so cliche, but when it's a dry heat, it's much more bearable. The trade-off for these horrid summers is a fabulous October-April. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
hey, and, denise, enjoy your vacation! |
Thanks! How geeky am I, though, for spending my summer vacation logging on to Dave's every day? I'm going on a proper vacation in a few weeks, though--might try to go two full weeks without logging on!
I think your Russian students' comments about clothing are more appropriate for winter than summer. In the winter, you can just keep piling on the layers, but you can't just keep taking things off in the summer, especially in a Muslim country, as canadashirleyblue mentioned. I don't know how the men cope, having to wear long pants every day. At least as a woman I have been able to experiment with different combinations of airy skirts, tops with light cover-ups, etc., to stay comfortable and not offend the culture.
I actually prefer staying home to going out to malls (which Nizwa doesn't have anyway!) because at home I can control the temperature. Malls and restaurants are bitterly cold! Waaaaaay too much AC!
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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It is VERY hot in the middle east. I think you need to look at the humidity as well. Most of the time it is quite dry and that really makes a difference. |
That's (in bold) a bad generalization. If anything, my guess would be that the majority of the population in the ME lives on the coast, and hence, 'most of the time', i.e., 'for most people', it is quite humid.
spiral78: From May till September, at least in sea-level cities on the coast, daily temperature goes above 40 C, and in July and August, above 45 C daily. At night in those 5 months, you would have 27-32 C, and all day long it would be nauseatingly humid. "STICKY HEAT" people call it, because as soon as you go out, even at night, your skin gets sweaty and disgustingly sticky literally within minutes.
Of course, inland, at least in a big country like Saudi Arabia, where you can get REALLY inland, it gets very dry, so dry that your skin peels and itches like crazy during cold months if your body is not used to dry weather. And yes, in places, it does go down to 10 C, or even below, in winter (0 C in some high altitude towns in Saudi Arabia).
We can say all we want, but your best friend to help you in this case is www.wunderground.com
You can pull up monthly, weekly, and even DAILY seriously detailed weather history for ANY CITY in the world, for the past several years!
BTW, it is 30-32 C right now at 1:30 am in a lot of cities in the Gulf! (real time temperature as per the website above)
Just to get you started:
Riyadh, July 2006:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/OERY/2006/7/19/MonthlyHistory.html
Riyadh, January 2007:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/OERY/2007/1/19/MonthlyHistory.html
Jeddah, June 2006:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/station/41024/2006/6/10/MonthlyHistory.html
Jeddah, January 2007:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/station/41024/2007/1/10/MonthlyHistory.html
Tabuk, December 2006:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/OETB/2006/12/19/MonthlyHistory.html
This is pretty much the coldest city in Saudi Arabia
Kuwait, July 2006:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/OKBK/2006/7/19/MonthlyHistory.html
Kuwait, January 2007:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/OKBK/2007/1/19/MonthlyHistory.html
Play around with the website!
Good luck!
EDIT: Not only does that website give you the history, but also the live real time weather conditions of any city around the world. So, check out what it is like in various cities in the Gulf right now (or tomorrow night), and during the day as well. |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I played golf all the year round in both Kuwait and Riyadh and never felt any ill-effects. In fact, I came away feeling that the climate was a plus. I liked clear blue skies more than 300 days a year and I thought Riyadh had a fairly pleasant climate. Kuwait, of course, is an oven from May to September but you are never far from the sea and there are swimming pools galore. From January to March it's marvellous.
I heard people grumbling about many things but not the weather. I never heard of a single person who left because they couldn't stand the heat!
If Spiral78 makes it to the Gulf he will probably have lots of things to complain about but I imagine the weather will be well down his list. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks much, everybody, for the extremely useful info!
Am going to research weather trends seriously; thanks to trapezius for the links, and you others for personal anecdotes - they're always engaging and I trust your impressions.
I'm not contemplating a ME stint without some previous experience of both heat and cultural aspects - I think it's really important to have a good idea of what you're getting into!
I think the mode/role of students will be the biggest 'culture' shock for me, honestly. I've been working with immigrants to Canada and European professionals who tend to be highly motivated and hard-working. But I have done a couple of stints with classes made up entirely of Saudis (in Canada) and I have at least a glimpse of how it can be, to try to teach a (relatively) unmotivated audience... it's tough! I admire you guys who are making it work.
Looking forward to joining you sometime in the (relatively) near future. |
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Bebsi
Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 958
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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My Russian students say that there IS no bad weather, only inadequate clothing. Is it true for heat as well? |
Absolutely. My grandfather in Ireland used to say "what keeps the cold out will keep the heat out" and so in Bucharest in summer, I go around wearing thermal vest/longjohns, heavy wool trousers, two woolly sweaters, a knitted cap with ear flaps, a thick scarf and fleece lined gloves. It's the epitome of comfort!!!! For some reason however, everyone keeps backing away from me. I wonder why????
Seriously, it is HOT in Romania this summer. Well, it gets pretty hot here anyway, not to mention humid, but not usually Gulf levels. This year it is baking, however. Three weeks ago, it was hotter than Jeddah and Bahrain for almost a week running. After then cooling down a few degrees, it is back up into the 40s this week, and expected to go close to 50 by Sunday. As I write, a few minutes from midnight, it is still 31C outside. Thank God the Bebsi household has AC fitted everywhere, a throwback to KSA days.
The Gulf is hot, hot, hot, and humid in coastal areas...humidity is actually the real killer, not the heat. From late May to early October can be really brutal, but from November to April is really nice apart from, as Trapezius has said, inland areas of the peninsula. Hail in Saudi would be a case in point, where it went down below freezing last winter. In Taif and Al Baha, high in the Asir mountains, winters can be very cold indeed, despite the tropical latitude, with freezing fog quite common. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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We had the same heat wave in Turkey a few weeks ago. It was awful and I sufferred. I also spent a couple of summers in the Gulf and the difference is they are prepared for the heat. Don't worry about it. |
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QatarChic
Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 445 Location: Qatar
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: |
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The temperature in Doha is unbearable right now- my mates in the UK complain about the rain but I would do anyhting to be there right now! ...but everywhere you go will have ACs so you will be OK......just try to avoid the box type ones, they can be so noisy and makes it difficult to sleep at night
any idea which Gulf country you are heading to Spiral? |
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