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StephenNZ
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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Which Countries do NOT require degree |
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| Could someone please tell me which countries I can (legally) work in with NO DEGREE??? |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: |
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For New Zealanders, Japan will let you work here on a working holiday visa for 12 months, and no degree needed.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html
You also need to consider that having no degree is one thing, but there are more types of visas that allow work (usually part-time) than just a regular work visa.
Student visa
Cultural visa
Dependent visa
Depends on your circumstances. |
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StephenNZ
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: Mostly Asia & Sth America |
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| To narrow the list ... I am at this stage only interested in Asia and South America. |
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frannie1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| would anyone know if you need a degree in turkey? |
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eslstudies
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Stephen, most countries require something. Can you tell us what you've got?
When you examine the small print in China, you need something tertiary that your employer can present to authorities as an equivalent. An associate diploma may even do the trick.
That said, many "teach" in China with a bare modicum of personal English literacy, let alone any kind of qualification.
I get this reality thrust in my face regularly on the China forums when I point out the letter of the law.
So, what papers do you have? |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| SOme places might pull some strings for you. CHina might be able to get you a visa if you have life experience. Here in Peru, they prefer a degree, but again, if you can prove life experience, that'll help you out. |
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tedkarma
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia and non-urban China are a few options. |
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StephenNZ
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: What quals do I have |
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[quote="eslstudies"]Stephen, most countries require something. Can you tell us what you've got?
Hi Thanks ESL .. The answer is ... ZIP nada.. Nothing,, Just years of Life Experience .. Please see my earlier post
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=54209
Without sounding too cocky... I am a very good presenter facilitator, with years of experience teaching adults.. But sadly no formal degrees.. I "did" have quite a few "Certificates" for having been passed to run the various seminar programs I have led in the past.. but alas I seem to have lost them all...
If, after I have passed the CELTA or TESOL course, I prove to be the great teacher that I know I will be.. will the No Degree thing still be an issue??
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spiral78
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: |
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In some places, yes. It's simply a legal issue for many countries, and a CV without a degree on it is unfortunately just going to inspire many school directors to simply chuck it.
I'm not saying that's fair, or that there aren't places where you CAN work, but the lack of a degree is likely to dog you, even when you have references and experience... |
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spiral78
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Having said the negative thing, can I encourage you to start researching what you could do to earn a degree? I realize that it's not a fun prospect, particularly assuming that you're not in your twenties anymore. But from personal experience, I can say that my MA (earned in my 40s) was worth every long hour I spent slaving over it.
I can't resist a couple of homilies that are a bit apt here:
better late than never
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nothing worth having comes easily.
anyway, whatever you decide, good luck! |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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I give information on Japan, and you say you are limited to Asia and S.America.
Last time I checked, Japan was considered an Asian country. Did you not want info on Japan?
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| I am a very good presenter facilitator, with years of experience teaching adults.. But sadly no formal degrees |
You can get a work visa in Japan with 3 or more years of teaching experience. Of course, that will depend on the type of experience you had, and whether immigration is in a good mood to accept such, but it's still possible. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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From your other post:
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| I am also also NOT interested in working 40 hour weeks and having been either self employed or in my own businesses for too many years, I am not sure I could cope with the bureaucracy of a School or University. I was kind of hoping that a language school would provide me a bit more autonomy. |
Autonomy is different from full-time hours. You should realize that at your age (55).
You want a full-time job but not full-time hours? Is that right? Good luck. Even language schools will want you teaching 25-30 hours a week, leaving 10-15 hours per week (that's 2-3 hours a day) for miscellaneous duties like lesson prep, attendance reports, progress reports, interviewing prospective students, etc. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. |
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spiral78
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This thread seems to inspire homilies...  |
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StephenNZ
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Having said the negative thing, can I encourage you to start researching what you could do to earn a degree? I realize that it's not a fun prospect, particularly assuming that you're not in your twenties anymore. But from personal experience, I can say that my MA (earned in my 40s) was worth every long hour I spent slaving over it. |
Thanks for the words of encouragement .. but I'm don't think I'm ready to spend 3 or 4 years studying for a degree.. Unless they have degrees in Tango and the worlds most interesting Milonga's/Tango Salons...
I guess my interest is more just in spending a few years traveling to some exciting places... and I see the teaching as a nice way to become part of a community.. as I am not one to just bum around...
Thanks to the rest of you for your comments too.. And yes I had considered Japan, but again I thought it was one of those countries that only let you in to teach if you had a degree..
As for the part time hours.. I am happy to work only eat my share of the cake relative to the hours I work... I thought I had seen on the net many positions that only required 12 hours teaching.. But who knows,. maybe I will love my new career and will want to work all the hours possible.. we will see.. I have a completely open mind about how things will develop...
Again, cheers and thanks for all the feedback.. |
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naturegirl321
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| StephenNZ wrote: |
| As for the part time hours.. I am happy to work only eat my share of the cake relative to the hours I work... I thought I had seen on the net many positions that only required 12 hours teaching.. But who knows,. maybe I will love my new career and will want to work all the hours possible.. we will see.. I have a completely open mind about how things will develop... . |
I think that happens a lot in China. All I know about Korea is that the pay's high, but I think that's to make up for the fact that no one wants to be there. If you go to the Korean forums, you'll see heaps of posts. Which makes me think that people would rather post on DAve's than face the Korean world. Supposedly there are more teachers in China, but there are more posts by far on the Korean forum. |
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