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Changchun Teacher(s) College / Changchun Normal University
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tw



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:33 am    Post subject: Changchun Teacher(s) College / Changchun Normal University Reply with quote

A brief review of the school:

Location: possibly the most polluted and the ugliest part of Changchun, located right by the highway that big transportation trucks and long-distance buses take goods and people to and from Jilin and Harbin, plus other towns and cities in Jilin Province. The main campus is a 20-30 minute bus ride from the train station, and is is surrounded by small factories, goods shipping companies, auto repair shops. Big transportation trucks roam down the roads every minute. The main campus is dusty with constructions of three new teaching buildings going on 24/7.

Housing: Poor workmanship and flimsy materials resulting in problems like black mould, peeled walls, and quite a few FT's having roach problems -- and all of these apartments are 1 to 2 years old. Frequent power outage and low water pressure are a norm in this school. The broadband Internet connection, which requires a Chinese program called Dr. Com to login, is painstakingly SLOW. It's so awful, that many Chinese web sites (schools, governments, even Xinhua) can't open.

Fellow FT's: having read about the many rejects and creepy FT's in China, I had the misfortune of working with quite a few of them in the past year. CCNU does have a reputation of hiring some real losers, according to current FT's and students. Missionaries, creeps and a druggie are some of the people I worked with.

Students: Depending on whether they are three-year majors or four-year majors, and whether they are English majors or Bilingual majors. Four-year English majors tend to be the best students while three-year Bilingual majors can be bottom scrappers. There are, of course, exceptions.

Workload: FT's in the Foreign Languages College can be worked to death thanks to the English writing classes, with some classes containing combined groups of students and as a result, a room from as small as thirty-something students to as many as over 100 students -- this, on top of having to teach other subjects.

Help and support (including textbooks): typical inept Chinese administration (Foreign Languages College) with screw-ups often and common; boring and useless oral English textbooks; English writing textbook written in Chinese; American history and culture textbook filled with misinformation, Party propaganda, and outdated facts. The leader of the FLC is useless and small-minded woman who'd cheated on and/or plagiarized her PhD thesis. She doesn't take suggestions kindly, can be very manipulative, and doesn't know anything about spreading workloads evenly. The FAO is practically invisible with frequent out-of-town trips and sometimes, even trips abroad. He is an OK guy, though. Pay is often a couple days late (now direct bank deposits), apartment problems are usually taken care of very quickly.

PM me if you want the full dirt on this school (during the past year. Do keep in mind not all FT's work in the FLC, most work in the Internation Exchange/Cooperation College.

Out of five stars: 2.5


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HunanForeignGuy



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear TW,

Sounds like a uni that I know in GZ...chillingly so.

Thanks for posting this...I often their advertisements on the different board...yup, and the stuff about druggies, missionaries, all-time loosers, God it sounds like this uni I know in GZ..

I am so glad that you have left the place. Enjoy Dalian and all of the very best to you.

HFG
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, onward and upward..... Good luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:50 am    Post subject: Re: Changchun Teacher(s) College / Changchun Normal Universi Reply with quote

tw wrote:
A brief review of the school:

Location: possibly the most polluted and the ugliest part of Changchun, located right by the highway that big transportation trucks and long-distance buses take goods and people to and from Jilin and Harbin, plus other towns and cities in Jilin Province. The main campus is a 20-30 minute bus ride from the train station, and is is surrounded by small factories, goods shipping companies, auto repair shops. Big transportation trucks roam down the roads every minute. The main campus is dusty with constructions of three new teaching buildings going on 24/7.

Housing: Poor workmanship and flimsy materials resulting in problems like black mould, peeled walls, and quite a few FT's having roach problems -- and all of these apartments are 1 to 2 years old. Frequent power outage and low water pressure are a norm in this school. The broadband Internet connection, which requires a Chinese program called Dr. Com to login, is painstakingly SLOW. It's so awful, that many Chinese web sites (schools, governments, even Xinhua) can't open.

Fellow FT's: having read about the many rejects and creepy FT's in China, I had the misfortune of working with quite a few of them in the past year. CCNU does have a reputation of hiring some real losers, according to current FT's and students. Missionaries, creeps and a druggie are some of the people I worked with.

Students: Depending on whether they are three-year majors or four-year majors, and whether they are English majors or Bilingual majors. Four-year English majors tend to be the best students while three-year Bilingual majors can be bottom scrappers. There are, of course, exceptions.

Workload: FT's in the Foreign Languages College can be worked to death thanks to the English writing classes, with some classes containing combined groups of students and as a result, a room from as small as thirty-something students to as many as over 100 students -- this, on top of having to teach other subjects.

Help and support (including textbooks): typical inept Chinese administration (Foreign Languages College) with screw-ups often and common; boring and useless oral English textbooks; English writing textbook written in Chinese; American history and culture textbook filled with misinformation, Party propaganda, and outdated facts. The leader of the FLC is useless and small-minded woman who'd cheated on and/or plagiarized her PhD thesis. She doesn't take suggestions kindly, can be very manipulative, and doesn't know anything about spreading workloads evenly. The FAO is practically invisible with frequent out-of-town trips and sometimes, even trips abroad. He is an OK guy, though. Pay is often a couple days late (now direct bank deposits), apartment problems are usually taken care of very quickly.

PM me if you want the full dirt on this school (during the past year. Do keep in mind not all FT's work in the FLC, most work in the Internation Exchange/Cooperation College.

Out of five stars: 2.5


Sounds very typical.

What interesting stories do you have about the FT's?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HunanForeignGuy wrote:
Sounds like a uni that I know in GZ...chillingly so.


Of course, my review is slightly biased because of how I was literally stabbed in the back by the dean of the FLC. Otherwise, this school can be a decent place to work at if it weren't for the location.

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Thanks for posting this...I often their advertisements on the different board...


Really? When I do searches on Google I only see job ads from last year and even 2005.

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I am so glad that you have left the place. Enjoy Dalian and all of the very best to you.


Actually, I am still living on campus and will be here for another 3 days.

SnoopBot, I will PM you with some juicy details about some of the creeps.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:


SnoopBot, I will PM you with some juicy details about some of the creeps.


I think you should share it publicly. If not send me a pm.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

therock wrote:
tw wrote:


SnoopBot, I will PM you with some juicy details about some of the creeps.


I think you should share it publicly. If not send me a pm.


Salacious, are we?

All the best,

HFG
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is this the campus near the Friendship store...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HunanForeignGuy wrote:
therock wrote:
tw wrote:


SnoopBot, I will PM you with some juicy details about some of the creeps.


I think you should share it publicly. If not send me a pm.


Salacious, are we?

All the best,

HFG


No, I am just keen to avoid having colleagues like you. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj750s wrote:
is this the campus near the Friendship store...


No, it's the one in Erdao District.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the heads up. I saw their advert and was impressed by the salary, especially for a uni in Changchun. TOo bad that they aren't worth working for.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I saw their advert and was impressed by the salary, especially for a uni in Changchun.


At first look, CCNU's salary offer does seem to be very high for a college/university job in Changchun as compared to other colleges and universities. Some of these other schools, including some big-name ones, offer as little as 3000 RMB, if not less. However, in the case of FT's working in CCNU's Foreign Languages College, the workload can be extremely heavy if you have to teach multiple subjects and you have combined classes of students, which makes the salary package a huge rip-off. In my case, I had to teach 15 classes of students in 20 hours every week. Ever tried reading 150 essays that pretty much all looked the same?

That said, readers should keep in mind that there are two groups of FT's at CCNU: those teaching FLC students, and those teaching the International Exchange/Cooperation College students. The FT's teaching IEC students make a bit more than those in the FLC, but they also teach more hours (though with fewer students and much easier lessons to teach).

I met a FT from Dongbei Normal University once, and he told me the university pays 4000 for 12 (or was it 14) hours a week. That is pretty good hourly rate!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:
In my case, I had to teach 15 classes of students in 20 hours every week. Ever tried reading 150 essays that pretty much all looked the same?


I know what you mean. I had to read 84 1000 word essays on St. Peter and St. Paul- My eyes are still glazed over.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/index.cgi?read=17510

THeir advert is posted above.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, let's do the math. They're offering 6000 RMB per month but you have to teach 24 lesson-hours per week, right? That's just about 62.50 per lesson-hour, by my calculation. The normal load at both universities I worked at was 14 lesson-hours (that's 50-minute hours, as at Changchun). Let's take the average salary for Chinese universities and call it 4000 RMB per month. That works out to just under 71.50 per lesson-hour.
You also have to taken into account preparation. If their ad means 24 separate lessons of one "hour" each, that's a lot more work than, say, 7 x 2-hour lessons, which was the norm where I worked.
Changchun doesn't sound like a very good deal to me.
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