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Prince Muhammad Bin Fahd University: urgent questions
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advice



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Prince Muhammad Bin Fahd University: urgent questions Reply with quote

Hi, everybody,

Could you, please, give me a piece of advice.

I received an offer from from www.alfalak.com
to teach in Prince Muhammad Bin Fahd University.

I have no idea what to do, in fact. Is it true that majority of Americans go there through Bahrein? I am not American, I am not a native English speaker with Ph.D. and also American education. An offer sounds good, but in my country there is so much information about females who disappear abroad, etc.

I have never been to the Arabic world, I don't really know how to deal with this situation.

Do I really have to go to Bahrein and then to SA? Do they really pay what they promise? My husband does not know either:))) We have a daughter of 12 years. Do they have schools in Al-Khobar? How do they look like? Are the schools in Arabic?

My daughter speaks English fluently.

My husband is a computer programmer. How are the chances for him to work there?

Where do teachers live there? What kind of apartment do they provide? We are 3 people.

I just don't know what I am going to do.

What does that university look like in the reality? Is it safe there?

Please, please, give me advice.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What visa will you be on? If you are on a business visa then your dependents may not be allowed to join you.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

advice, if you have been offered a job through Al Falak, then you will be coming to SA on a business visa, which means you can't bring your dependents here.

Your husband will have to find a job in SA on his own from abroad, and once he gets a job (with a work visa), he can come here and bring your daughter as well.

If you want to be a direct emplyee of the university, you should apply to the university directly. Since you applied through a head-hunter, and have been offered a position by the head-hunter, you will not be coming here on a work visa, but on a business visa issued by Al Falak. This is technically illegal, but hundreds of instructors are hired by universities here through recruiting companies, and they come here on business visas. Almost all of them, however, are either single men/women, or married males coming here alone for a year or two. Married females ususally don't come through this channel as it means being away from their families for an extended period (unless of course, some female *does* want to be away from her family!).

Your options:

1) Either apply to the university directly. Tell them you have been offered a position through Al Falak, but you want to bring your family, so you want to come on a work visa. Nothing will probably be done, but it doesn't hurt to try.

2) Or apply to other institutions (universities, language institutes, companies, etc) directly and hope you get an offer from somewhere to come here on a work visa.

Good luck.

P.S. Clarify with Al Falak anyway about your visa status and whether you can bring your family or not. And then post here what they say!
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
in my country there is so much information about females who disappear abroad,


I wouldn't worry if I were you. If some lusty Bedu were going to lure you into his harem, he wouldn't be looking for a visa for you.
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Prince Muhammad Bin Fahd University: urgent questions Reply with quote

advice wrote:
I received an offer from from www.alfalak.com
to teach in Prince Muhammad Bin Fahd University.


Good for you!

I got an email from today and was rejected even though I have no recollection of ever applying,

'Dear Mr. X

Thank you for your employment application for a position at Prince Mohammad Bin Fahd University .

There were a number of strong candidates for the position vacancies and after careful consideration of all the candidates, we must advise you that other candidates� qualifications and experience have been found to be a better fit for the University job requirements.

Again, thank you for your interest in Prince Mohammad Bin Fahd University and best wishes in your future endeavours.

Sincerely,

Y

Director, Human Resources'

This is quite remarkable given my many years of experience, high end qualifications and experience teaching abroad! It makes me wonder what they require to even offer an interview which though I didn't apply was never offered anyway!?

That place sure must be full of highly qualified overachievers!

Ha ha! Laughing

Go figure!

Balzac Rolling Eyes
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Bebsi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You weren't offered an interview???? Even though you went to the trouble of not applying? Shocked

Laughing
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bebsi wrote:
You weren't offered an interview???? Even though you went to the trouble of not applying? Shocked

Laughing


Yeah! Crikey (as the Crock hunter would have said)! There was a lot of work involved in NOT actually applying: I had to figure out a way of avoiding the ad every time I searched Dave's EFL jobs pages! Then if anyone at my work mentioned it, I had to close my ears!

Just imagine my disappointment if I had've actually apllied and been turned down! There would've been oceans of tears! LOL

Balzac Laughing
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that PMU management prefer candidates with qualifications and teaching experience from uncle Sam's universities, and specifically from a university which is a member of the Texas International Education Consortium (TIEC).
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 wrote:
It seems to me that PMU management prefer candidates with qualifications and teaching experience from uncle Sam's universities, and specifically from a university which is a member of the Texas International Education Consortium (TIEC).


Yeah, seems that way to me too. Just like The British Council and BAE onyl tend to hire Brits although the latter has apparently been trying to change its policy recently to get more Yanks hired, too.

cheers

Balzac Wink
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Bebsi



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the BC doesn't just hire any old Brit, I would point out. Oh, no. You must have a CELTA or RSA. If you haven't got one, then you obviously don't know how to teach.

That being said, the BC will happily help you out and train you how to teach and will give you a CELTA or equivalent to prove it: at about 1k GBP a whack. Not that the BC has any personal or financial axes to grind; after all, they are a registered charity, who teach English to the world's desperate purely for altruistic reasons.

God save BC, and no-one else!!!!

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Balzac



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bebsi wrote:
Well, the BC doesn't just hire any old Brit, I would point out. Oh, no. You must have a CELTA or RSA. If you haven't got one, then you obviously don't know how to teach.


Yeah, and you need oodles of experience or at least two years f/t preferably overseas. BTW, I think you mean the CELTA or Trinity (CELTA or RSA are the same thing e.g. Royal Society of Arts Certificate in English Language Teaching to Adults)

Bebsi wrote:
That being said, the BC will happily help you out and train you how to teach and will give you a CELTA or equivalent to prove it: at about 1k GBP a whack. Not that the BC has any personal or financial axes to grind; after all, they are a registered charity, who teach English to the world's desperate purely for altruistic reasons.


I hear your note of cynicism and agree that the BC is not the helper of the poor and disenfranchised as they would have us all believe. As I understand it, the BC was originally set up to promote English language and cultural values around the world although, to many, it was really set up to spread notions like 'empire' and 'Englishness' instead and is really better understood as a last vestige of what was the biggest empire in the world - The British Empire.

Still, if you're a long time chalkie like me, you'll appreciate the service the BC offers e.g. that with your extra passport (CELTA or Trinity), you can travel the world working for them, and they'll pay all your travel costs, set you up in a apartment etc., etc And if you want to take it to the next stage, some BC branches apparently pay as much as 70% of your DELTA too which can't be all bad.
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cheers

Balzac Cool
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abubakerhadi



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Prince fahad Reply with quote

I have pm you...
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globalnomad2



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strictly speaking, 007, there is no such thing as an Uncle Sam's university, except for the military academies. Aside from those, the US government does not own or run any higher-educational insitutition.
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Bebsi



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mea culpa, indeed I meant Trinity.

I am given to understand (but need to check it out) that the BC was privatised during the Thatcher era, like many other government owned/sponsored bodies.

Any enlightenment, opinions etc welcome.
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advice



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, our family has made the decision not to go to Saudi Arabia, at least, this time. Mostly because we have currently more opportunities in the USA.
Anyway, if somebody wants to share any of his or her Arabic world experience, don't hesitate to write me privately.
I am potentially interested for the future.
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