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JZer



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Salary Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me what the salaries for language schools and universities in Turkey are?

I did a search but did not come up with anything.

Thanks!
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FGT



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Language schools do wages rather than salaries. 15-35ytl an hour in Izmir. Universities pay better but I don't know the details.
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batukhan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cant speak for Istanbul but I had a friend who worked at a university in Izmir last year and he gave me the skinny on the scene. one university the university of Economics pays 2300+ or- ytl (turkish lira) to start and the other private university Yasar pays 1500 ytl+ or - a month both are in Izmir. Neither provides accomodation. There is a huge difference in both schools pay wise.
Schools in Istanbul vary considerably. In any case you want at least 2200 ytl if you want to live in a big city more for Istanbul. Otherwise you will be living near or below the poverty line. Unless of course accomodation is provided then a little less isnt so bad.
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EF pays a salary, and you get private health insurance and a housing allowance an a work permit. Not all language pay hourly wages.
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hobo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

batukhan wrote:
Cant speak for Istanbul but I had a friend who worked at a university in Izmir last year and he gave me the skinny on the scene. one university the university of Economics pays 2300+ or- ytl (turkish lira) to start and the other private university Yasar pays 1500 ytl+ or - a month both are in Izmir. Neither provides accomodation. There is a huge difference in both schools pay wise.
Schools in Istanbul vary considerably. In any case you want at least 2200 ytl if you want to live in a big city more for Istanbul. Otherwise you will be living near or below the poverty line. Unless of course accomodation is provided then a little less isnt so bad.


hmm, I'd hardly call 2200YTL a month the poverty line.
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Otterman Ollie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Hobo ,its not a great salary in the scheme of things ,unless of course you want to live like a Hobo !
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have earned 2200 before (not so long ago) and for a single person living on their own it's a very livable wage. I was able to live comfortably, go out, not worry about money, and still save at the end of the month. Istanbul is expensive but it isn't that expensive.

Btw, welcome home, hobo! Glad you made it.
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hobo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaramaz wrote:
I have earned 2200 before (not so long ago) and for a single person living on their own it's a very livable wage. I was able to live comfortably, go out, not worry about money, and still save at the end of the month. Istanbul is expensive but it isn't that expensive.

Btw, welcome home, hobo! Glad you made it.


Thanks Yaramaz. Even if you consider rent and bills to be around 1000 YTL, then you are left with living on around 40 YTL a day. Although this might not give us the luxury that some of us may wish, if you can't live modestly on that amount, you're shopping at the wrong bakal.
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batukhan



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay lets be realistic about what is a liveable amount in Turkey. If your needs are extremely minimal then 2200 ytl a month is okay. If you live on pasta,rice and some veggies. If your entertainment consists of going for walks, runs etc.,. If you choose to live like a hermit and dress the same again great. If you buy your clothes at a pazar and they fall apart a month later again great. If you really enjoy the derision of your fellow employees for looking and living like a tramp then super cool. If you prefer never to drink an occasional sip of hard liqour so much the better.
Some of us decadent westerners enjoy wearing decent quality clothes, eating quality food at home and out, doing a bit of travelling, going out once or twice a week, buy a book or two, and god forbid saving a little for retirement, or to actually own a car drive the car etc.,. You know living like an adult not like a teenage bohemian. Seriously, it depends on your lifestyle choices based on wants, needs and desires. For a person living a minimalist lifestyle its not so bad. However for people past the age of 30 who want to live a reasonably comfortable lifestyle then its not so great.
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some of us decadent westerners enjoy wearing decent quality clothes, eating quality food at home and out, doing a bit of travelling, going out once or twice a week, buy a book or two, and god forbid saving a little for retirement, or to actually own a car drive the car etc.,. You know living like an adult not like a teenage bohemian. Seriously, it depends on your lifestyle choices based on wants, needs and desires. For a person living a minimalist lifestyle its not so bad. However for people past the age of 30 who want to live a reasonably comfortable lifestyle then its not so great.


I do all of these things and I'm over thirty and I can save and I have done it on 2200. It is possible.
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hobo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've lived a comfortable life with clothes, food and drinks as described above for 1750 and managed to save some. I lived in Asia, and earn much more now. But my original point was that it was no way near the poverty line. Look at professionals earning 1000 YTL who still manage to have a quality of life.
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Caterinamh



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Totally agree with you..... Reply with quote

batukhan wrote:
Okay lets be realistic about what is a liveable amount in Turkey. If your needs are extremely minimal then 2200 ytl a month is okay. If you live on pasta,rice and some veggies. If your entertainment consists of going for walks, runs etc.,. If you choose to live like a hermit and dress the same again great. If you buy your clothes at a pazar and they fall apart a month later again great. If you really enjoy the derision of your fellow employees for looking and living like a tramp then super cool. If you prefer never to drink an occasional sip of hard liqour so much the better.
Some of us decadent westerners enjoy wearing decent quality clothes, eating quality food at home and out, doing a bit of travelling, going out once or twice a week, buy a book or two, and god forbid saving a little for retirement, or to actually own a car drive the car etc.,. You know living like an adult not like a teenage bohemian. Seriously, it depends on your lifestyle choices based on wants, needs and desires. For a person living a minimalist lifestyle its not so bad. However for people past the age of 30 who want to live a reasonably comfortable lifestyle then its not so great.





I totally agree with you. Istanbul IS FREAKEN EXPENSIVE! My rent is 1100 ytl for a 1+1 plus bills in Esentepe. It's not lux but its in a nice, safe area. I just moved here from Belikduzu where I paid 750 for a huge place 5+1 but who wants to live in the middle of no where? NOT ME, did it for 8 months and almost went mad.

Salary where I work for 18-20 teaching lessons is 1500 us with a masters and 500 for housing, SSK and full working papers. NOT much.

I personally had to work an extra 11 lessons a week just to live in the means that an average middle class person would live in back in the states. Sure you could live on less, with a roommate and cheap, cheap supplies(food, makeup etc.) but why should I at 38. Give me a break.



There is a lot to be said in your post and I think you summed it up quite nicely.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roommates ? That is what you do as a student ! Sharing is a no-no for adults.
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angelacakir



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can anyone live in Istanbul on 2000ytl a month. Shows how lucky I am I work in a private school in the South of the country and i earn much more than that. why are teachers so undervalued these days? Thought about leaving my school couple of years ago. Glad i didn't !
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't share and I don't want to and I live in Kurtulus (close to Taksim and Metro--- but a lot less than 1100ytl for rent, but still very nice and big and sunny and clean) and I can still do fine on, say, 2200. I get a bit more than that these days but if I only got 2000, it certainly wouldn't change much except how much I can save. Maybe we all have different needs and expectations, but I really don't feel in any way deprived and I never feel limited in what I can do or buy. Seriously. I buy funky new clothes; I buy tons of new books; I love eating out and meeting friends for drinks at the weekend; I just furnished a 2 bedroom apartment from scratch without any taksit...am I doing something wrong? Seriously. Am i?
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