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king kakipi
Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 353 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: Educate your child in Japan..... |
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why would you?
why wouldn't you?
I'm thinking specifically for those of us who have kids that have a Japanese and non-J parent.
Thanks. |
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gonzarelli

Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 151 Location: trouble in the henhouse
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: |
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I don't have kids but I'm planning to marry my Japanese GF. I would never put my kids through the education system in Japan. No question about it. Sure, the education system back home in Canada is not without its faults but the pros outweigh the cons.
From what I've seen, the main purpose of the education system is to raise obedient, self-sacrificing and conforming little citizens. Creativity and logic are stifled. The entire system revolves around the entrance exams and the students spend their years at school essentially practicing for these exams. Classes are very much teacher centered and the kids simply take down notes (if they're paying attention) and regurgitate the material for the next test. No actual understanding or application of the material is necessary.
A somewhat famous analysis of Japanese society is a speech given by a Japanese man named Dr. Masao Miyamoto.
"EXCERPT: How do the bureaucrats manage to castrate the Japanese so effectively? The school system is the place where they conduct this process. In order to be a castrated individual one has to cultivate masochism, and this is why the concept of self-sacrifice has penetrated Japanese society to such depths. Self-sacrifice can be seen in such behavior as not taking a long vacation, a willingness to participate in unpaid overtime, the absence of a personal life and death from overwork."
The full text of the speech can be found here:
http://www.nancho.net/anthcult/castreg.html
What I've said is based only on what I've seen. Others may disagree. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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why would you?
1) You are unable to return to your home country or to home-school here.
2) You don't have the money to pay for international schools, or like me, you don't even have an international school around.
3) You think Japanese education is ok, for whatever reasons.
why wouldn't you?
You are able to overcome #1 and #2 above. |
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gaijin4life
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 150 Location: Westside of the Eastside, Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Although I dont have kids yet, at this point, even if they were half Japanese, I would be reluctant to educate them in Japan.
From what Ive seen, which to be honest, is mostly from jnr h/s up, there is often too much pressure for kids to conform. Also the thought of the blatant or insidious bullying that goes on here is not something I would want my kids to have any experience of.
On the other hand, it would be nice for a kid to experience Japanese school life. But `exam hell` is something I would prefer not to put my kids through.
Lastly, I would be concerned about what options are available for less-academic kids and any stigma/labels that might be attached to kids who are not so academic. I really think that kids have enough stress in their lives without adding to it through their school-life.
Just my thoughts .. |
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MrCAPiTUL
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 232 Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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I think this is really interesting to bring up, actually. The reason being is that it appears as if many of the things people love about Japan, and make them want to stay, find their roots in the school system where they are criticized. How do people think the society that they are so endeared to got to be the way it is? Through up bringing and education. |
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king kakipi
Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 353 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for those opinions.
Are international schools in Japan prohibitively expensive and do they offer a more 'balanced' school life?
The 2 points that sway me against schooling my kid in Japan:-
he looks more 'gaijin' by the day and I believe (rightly or wrongly) that that might work against him in such a monocultural country;
the excessive pressures of cram schools etc. As I point out to my wife, kids here in Oz, and the UK where I have also taught, have far less academic demands to contend with after 3 pm (other than homework) yet we still produce top quality doctors etc |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Expensive? Yes.
More balanced? You tell me. The way I understand it, every class except Japanese is taught in English. If that's balanced, so be it, simply because the kids will have daily exposure to English all day long. Does that help them or hinder them in their ability to learn Japanese or to acquire Japanese culture? |
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SeasonedVet
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 236 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Sherri
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 749 Location: The Big Island, Hawaii
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
...the kids will have daily exposure to English all day long. Does that help them or hinder them in their ability to learn Japanese or to acquire Japanese culture? |
I think this is an important point. If you see your family living in Japan permanently, and you believe that your children will also choose to live and work in Japan, then you will probably be better off sending your kids to local schools. Because they will have to know how to get along in this culture and not to stick out. The Japanese returnees that I have worked with had endless problems fitting in and they had 2 Japanese parents!
In my case, I knew I would not live out my life in Japan and I wanted my kids to be educated in a more multi-ethnic community to prepare them for a life in the US or anywhere else in the world that they would choose to go.
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king kakipi
Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 353 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Good point Glenski.
I thought that sending him to an Int School in Japan, where they're taught in English, would help him keep his options open, as he'll have 3 nationalities until he's 20 (J, Oz, UK). But I guess if he chose to stay in Japan post 20 he'd still have to 'exploit' his 'Japanese-ness' to fit in.
Difficult decision, as I am somewhat disenchanted with the way the education system here in Oz is headed (and I'm part of it, being a teacher...............) |
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6810

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: |
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king kakipi wrote: |
Difficult decision, as I am somewhat disenchanted with the way the education system here in Oz is headed (and I'm part of it, being a teacher...............) |
Where might that be? |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: |
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king kakipi wrote: |
I am somewhat disenchanted with the way the education system here in Oz is headed |
I think alot of the negativity here is because people are working in or on the fringe of the system here. I agree with the general concensus as it is now. However I do think there is potentially a great deal of change afoot in the education system here (and perhaps in the society at large). The demographics are changing in a way that will fundamentally change the system as it stands now. Shrinking student population will mean that there are more resources freed up to pursue more cognitive types of education, basically a shift from quantitive to qualitative outcomes. Tertiary entrance exams will be set aside, as Universities compete for students. University academic programs will also have to change to compete will foreign Universities to retain local students and attract students from other places (Asia specifically). Some one mentioned returnees well that pool of talent will start gaining power both in positions in the workplace and as education consumers disenchanted with the education system they grew up with.
This depends alot on governmental reform but it is possible and is someways very likely. Just not over night, but maybe in time to benefit our children. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:06 am Post subject: |
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6810 wrote: |
Where might that be? |
All over. 12 years of hoWARd have fked the education system back home. (yeah yeah I know education is a state thing but the money comes with strings attached from Canberra) |
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6810

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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markle wrote: |
6810 wrote: |
Where might that be? |
All over. 12 years of hoWARd have fked the education system back home. (yeah yeah I know education is a state thing but the money comes with strings attached from Canberra) |
Why I ask is that there are basically two main arguments relating to Australian education at the present.
1. The one you present in which public schools are suffering through reduced funding etc - a long discussion is required, but I'm just generalising.
2. That the education system has been so infiltrated by PC (yes, some conservatives still flog that dead horse) and postmodernism etc that real values and skills aren't being taught.
In reply to your earlier post, I wholly agree - most of the people here commenting on the education have only "an outsider's" experience of the education system. A whole lot of work would be required for them to be fully integrated, like Jpnese citizenship, for example.
The flaw in the Jpn education system, as I was saying to a friend the other day lies not necessarily with pedagogical methods or subjects taught - it lies with the incredible overburdening and over surveillance as teachers. Teachers are supposedly respected etc in the community, but the reality is that they are public servants driven into the ground by excessive workloads and over zealous bureaucracy.
This to me creates conditions which aren't exactly hospitable for teaching as a project to inspire. After all, I too look at the system as an outsider - the kids, the students seem pretty much the same whether in the US, Oz or Japan - however, looking at what teachers go through, their virtual inability to take time off, lack of perks such as long service leave, having to actually be at school during vacation periods, constant enforced contact with local BOE's...
I just think - who on earth would actually want to be a teacher in Japan? |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: |
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6810 wrote: |
Why I ask is that there are basically two main arguments relating to Australian education at the present.
1. The one you present in which public schools are suffering through reduced funding etc - a long discussion is required, but I'm just generalising.
2. That the education system has been so infiltrated by PC (yes, some conservatives still flog that dead horse) and postmodernism etc that real values and skills aren't being taught.
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Ok I mistook your post.
Personally I think argument 2 is used to justify reality 1.
Socially I think Howard and his ilk have, through his populist Aussie battler BS, bred a kind of anti-intellectualism that is affecting the value of education in Australia. It's the 'Clever Country' aspiration being replaced with 'Lucky Country' complacency. |
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