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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Ramadan in KSA Reply with quote

Ramadan is coming - soon. Any thought or reminiscences about Ramadan in this blessed land ?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have mixed feelings about Ramadhan. On the one hand I of course enjoy the shortened work day and the lack of cars on the street in the mornings. On the other hand, it can be a pain when nothing is open during the day and you can't enjoy a nice cup of coffee in your office!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: Ramadan in KSA Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Ramadan is coming - soon. Any thought or reminiscences about Ramadan in this blessed land ?

Welcome for Ramadhan anytime and anywhere.

Ramadan is Here!!, by Asma Sadia:

One night I heard a knock on my door;
Who can it be,I wasn't quite sure.
I open the door and am filled with glee;
The visitor ahead is no stranger to me.

I welcome the guest with utmost delight;
For I know it has come to give me respite.
An air of happiness fills the space;
My home now seems, a better place!

Have you any clue who this visitor could be?
Yes!its Ramadhan,the month of mercy.
The pious and righteous can't await its arrival;
Others seem to greet it, with waves of denial.


Ramadan Mubarakh.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those illiterate in Arabic, Cleo's cartoon reads, "Good Morning, Beirut !"
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will have shortened hours during the day, but then classes will continue from 10 pm till about 1 am. Shocked

Silly, right?

My classes in the regular timetable for Fall term start at 3, so I bet in the Ramadan timetable, they will all be moved to 10 pm. That's not bad, but if I have to go in during the day, and then again late night, that would s*ck.

Also, at my previous job, there were some non-fasters, so I would just go to their offices to eat/drink, but at my new job, no non-fasters, and faculty offices are shared by 2 faculty members, so I will probably have to smuggle something into the restroom stall to eat if I have to go in during the day. However, if it is only a couple of hours, then that's fine.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Cleo's cartoon


Far be it from me to claim it as my own.

For more information on the late, great Naji Al Ali:

http://www.najialali.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In any decent workplace, they have a practice of making a room available for non-Muslims in which to eat, drink, smoke etc.

Of course, non-Ms should always avoid eating or drinking in front of Muslim colleagues. Apart from the discourtesy factor, it really is torture to them, especially if it's hot outside and you're sitting there swigging from a condensation coated bottle of lovely, cool Najran water!!

I've never had any probs at Ramadan (apart from sleeping students of course) I must say, it's really all about mutual respect and accomodation.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not at all religious, but there's something about Ramadan that makes me feel great. Almost euphoric. The Hadj too. Little things fill me with joy, like the 'click' sound when I lock my suitcase, and the 'toot' of the taxi that's come to take me to the airport. Even Riyadh airport - with all the thobes and beards and those instant coffee stalls - takes on magical qualities.

Seriously, though, in the limited time I spent 'in Kingdom' during Ramadan, I did enjoy sleeping in (a rare treat in my field where the alarm's often set for 3am!) And, when I had to teach, it was good to have a legitimate excuse for all those sleeping shebab.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Van Norden wrote:
I'm not at all religious.


No way! You?

Quote:
Seriously, though...


No way! You?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit unfair there, furious one. I did try hard to find God but I always fell at the theodicy hurdle.

Your second 'slur' is also uncalled for. Sure I like to kid around (who doesn't?), but I've made a lot of serious contributions to this forum. You obviously missed me on the recent 'Tofu' thread. I was a mine of information, even if I do say so myself.
He's quick with the joke, or to light up your smoke, but there's some place that he'd rather be.

Imagine Ramadan in Japan! I can see Shinjuku or Shibuya: all thobes and beards; the kogyaru covered head to toe in black; the izakayas closed; and nothing but apple juice to wash down your sushi. How nice it would be.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Van Norden wrote:
I did try hard to find God but I always fell at the theodicy hurdle.

Poor Van, it seems you are lost between the powers of Evil and God!
Van you are a free man, and if you keep searching for God, I am sure you will find him within yourself and not elsewhere.

Ask God to help you find him. Ask him to show you himself even if you're unsure he's there.
Be honest with God from your heart, and tell him you're looking for him.
Van you are in the correct way, just keep searching, do not loose hope in yourself and in your 'reasoning'.

BTW, just ask our friend Scot47 for help, I am sure he will not hesitate to help you to find the truth. Laughing

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Imagine Ramadan in Japan! I can see Shinjuku or Shibuya: all thobes and beards; the kogyaru covered head to toe in black; the izakayas closed; and nothing but apple juice to wash down your sushi. How nice it would be.


Ramadan moon sighting on Japanese TV:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sAbyBOtdwVc&mode=related&search=
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Van Norden wrote:
A bit unfair there, furious one. I did try hard to find God but I always fell at the theodicy hurdle.

Your second 'slur' is also uncalled for. Sure I like to kid around (who doesn't?), but I've made a lot of serious contributions to this forum. You obviously missed me on the recent 'Tofu' thread. I was a mine of information, even if I do say so myself.
He's quick with the joke, or to light up your smoke, but there's some place that he'd rather be.

Imagine Ramadan in Japan! I can see Shinjuku or Shibuya: all thobes and beards; the kogyaru covered head to toe in black; the izakayas closed; and nothing but apple juice to wash down your sushi. How nice it would be.


Excuse the slurs but they are my most sincere form of expression after too many Jonnie Walker Blacks.

Thanks to 007's link. I was at a loss to imagine Ramadan in Japan but the video wasn't far off what I should have expected. It was even in Shibuya!

I like the way that even when those guys were speaking in Japanese, albeit a little halting, they still have to have subtitles in Japanese! Do foreigners speaking Arabic also get subtitled in Arabic on Saudi TV?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cobra

Van Norden is raising the question of how we can reconcile the existence of evil and suffereing in the world with a benevolent God. I am not sure that I can help on that front.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

furious drunk wrote:
Excuse the slurs but they are my most sincere form of expression after too many Jonnie Walker Blacks.

Apology accepted for those slurred slurs. You had a good excuse.

furiousmilksheikali wrote:
Do foreigners speaking Arabic also get subtitled in Arabic on Saudi TV?

I know what you mean about Japan. They really struggle to come to terms with the idea that foreigners can (or would even want to!) speak their language. I think it's different here, but I can't say for sure. I don't watch Saudi TV so can't comment on the subtitles and I don't speak Arabic so I don't know how they react to (non Arabic-speaking) foreigners speaking Arabic. But I don't think they are as convinced of their 'uniqueness' as the Japanese seem to be. Saudis know their language extends beyond this peninsular.

Also, speaking broadly, I think Saudis (in the major cities at least) have more dealings with foreigners compared to your average Japanese. It's strange to say this about such a 'closed' society, but the Saudis could be considered more 'cosmopolitan' than the Japanese. At least that's how I see it, having lived in both countries. Though I'm hardly 'living' here - I don't get out that much. I'm equally guilty of insularity.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Cobra

Van Norden is raising the question of how we can reconcile the existence of evil and suffereing in the world with a benevolent God. I am not sure that I can help on that front.


That's easy. All gods have a wicked sense of humour. They play tricks on each other all the time, sending each other an earthquake or two or maybe a thunderbolt then they film the results and post them on the celestial internet. Of course, it's easy for them to forget that humans are more frail than their immortal selves.

Incidentally, I think the Japanese found the moon-watching to be interesting as there is a similar tradition here. After the typhoon season has finished (which coincides with Ramadan, it seems) the story is one can look at the moon and see a rabbit making mochi, or rice cakes, on it's surface. Though in Japan this is usually celebrated by getting completely drunk as everything else tends to be celebrated here. That and McDonalds bring out a special tsukimi egg burger. I take it ramadan is celebrated a little differently.
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