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Longton · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 148

This is from a Booz Allen ad on Dave's:

We are proud of our diverse environment, EOE, M/F/D/V.

I'm trying to work out what this means :

EOE - Equality of Employment?
M - Male
F - Female
D - Disability?
V - Veteran?

They may have a diverse environment in some countries but it certainly isn't diverse in KSA. I wish companies wouldn't use abbreviations when they are not readily understood.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

I will leap in here before 007 appears.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

They also fail to mention that they only employ USAnals. They are one of the many in that land who assume that all humans are citizens of that great but flawed Republic.

007 · Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject:

MIKEBUCHAN · Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 106 Location: Russia

Can I put my two cents worth in?

I be one of those USAnals! Booz Allen Hamilton is a defence contractor and must, under US law, include all those abbreviations in any and all adverts for employment and quite a few more to comply with the US 'equal opportunities act' that force companies to not discriminate against anyone. However, I believe it just legalizes discrimation.

Anyone know about their operations in Jubal? Salary? Housing?

Mike

Longton · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 148

It's interesting that Booz Allen doesn't say that the teaching jobs are open for males only. I can understand that for jobs in USA it needs to add that it is an equal opportunity employer but why include this for posts in KSA when females and probably also those with a disability are excluded? I would think it is illegal to state that jobs are open to all when in fact they are not.

Cleopatra · Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject:

I said something similar on the "Public schools" thread.

I don't really understand why employers cannot openly admit that Saudi laws means that many jobs are only open to persons of one gender. Plus, as Longton says, in this particular case, claiming to be an 'equal opportunities' employer seems downright mendacious!

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

One gender and one nationality. This "Equal Opportiunities" stuff is hogwash ! Empty weasel words.

Sirens of Cyprus · Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 255

Booz Allen is a good employer. Flew me to DC for an interview once...business class! They don't pay as much as Raytheon, but still good pay and benefits. Yeah, if they didn't make it clear that you had to be American male, they should have, especially since they ask you to fill out a long application. I assure you it was an oversight, nothing to do with "American arrogance."

But as an American I must have applied for a hundred jobs only to be to told a good way through the recruitment process, "oh, so you're not British?...hmmm....sorry." But I suspect that we often get turned down without even a hint of the reason. I guess they just keep on letting us apply but put us at the bottom of the stack as backups, scratching their head and wondering whether these bloody MA's in ESL from America measure up to CELTA's or DELTA's.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

I too have heard that Boose Allen are good employers but the wording of their ad displays a certain arrogance or naivete. There is a world outside the USofA.

veiledsentiments · Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA

I suspect that they run the same ad everywhere and it has to follow US law. It must include the EOE stuff. The fact that they are hiring for another country is irrelevant to the US legal system. Some places will mention in the ad that the job is for teaching men and hope that most will understand that women need not apply. Some employers have been sued and lost in court because they would not accept applications from women or interview them - even though their foreign contract did not allow women.

Stupid... really... but nothing they can do about it. Some of these employers interview the women without even informing them that they can't be hired. The law needs to be re-written, but don't hold your breath... the US bureaucracy is just as stupid as any other.

VS

ootii · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:27 am Post subject:

Cleopatra · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:15 am Post subject:

globalnomad2 · Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 562

They posted the ad that way because it ran in the US and you simply cannot post discriminatory job ads in the US . They are in fact an equal-opportunity employer in the US. But they don't have to be in countries where equal opportunities are not allowed.

The issue of "veterans" is a nonissue. It refers to people who have served on active duty in the US armed forces, regardless of where they were stationed. They might have been stationed in Hawaii the whole time. It simply means they're not supposed to discriminate against veterans.

If you want to talk about arrogance, Scot, how about the Saudi visa officer in Washington saying to me "I don't know how you could get mixed up in this silly religion." (That was in 1974, when I was a youngster straight out of the Navy; I had been born in a particular religion but it was irrelevant to me as I was/am nonreligious). There's a whole world out there outside the Middle East.

ootii · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: