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burdik · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 33 Location: izmir

This is getting silly. I'm not going to start as 'a Turkish native speaker has just confirmed with me that .....' because I AM a native speaker, and as one, I am telling you SIKILDIM only stands for bored or to be sick / tired of doing something. As I mentioned earlier in my response to yaramaz's post, the word doesn't mean 'stressed, pressured, tired, frustrated, embarrassed, bashful, or to feel constrained' You might be bored because you are stressed, pressured, etc..., but when you say SIKILDIM, you mean 'I am bored' and nothing else.

When I replied yaramaz's post, I didn't do it in an attempt to attack her or to prove her wrong. I was just trying to correct a misunderstanfing about the meaning of a word.

As for Sheikh Inal Ovar; dude I don't know who that native speaker -that 'has just confirmed you that it most certainly can be used in that manner' - is, but he / she is totally wrong. If you are overwhelmed with work, there's an other word for that. SIKILDIM doesn't mean that you are overwhelmed, it can only mean you are bored of being overwhelmed. By the way, if you are a native speaker in English, I am certainly not as fluent as you are, however one thing I am sure is I am more fluent in English than you are in my own language.

justme · Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul

This is all very interesting! I understand 'sıkıldım' to mostly mean 'bored,' but with more overlap into the English 'annoyed' or even 'frustrated.' Turkish people say it so much, and in different situations than English speakers, that I took the word to have a broader range of meaning than in English, and to cover a wider range of feelings than 'bored' in English. So can I take this to mean that when Turks complain of being bored, that every time they're referring to a comparitively limited feeling?

I think this is one of the problems of direct one-to-one translation. Students tend to use the word 'bored' a lot, and I don't mean just when they're whining in class. According to their essays and conversations, they're bored in traffic, they're bored when preparing for exams, they're bored when someone they've broken up with keeps calling them, there bored when they keep trying to do something unsuccessfully... etc. Is this just a culture of ennui and general malaise? I think it's semantic, as I'm not quite willing to believe the feelings of this many people are so limited. 'Annoyed' in the dictionary most often comes up as 'sınırlendi,' but I think this word describes more anger than 'annoyed' describes. But then, of course, there's 'canımı sıkıldı,' which doesn't translate directly into English as one word, and I guess that this means more like 'annoyed' than 'bored.'

Other posters have mentioned meanings related to pressure, frustration, or having a weight on one's shoulders. I'm inclined to believe 'sıkılmak' has this sense to it as well, if anything because of its relationship to other words like 'sıkma (portakal)' and 'sıkışmak,' which is the word my husband uses to describe a bottleneck of traffic when the road narrows.

Don't get me wrong, burdik. I'm certainly not disagreeing with you or trying to pretend I know more than I do, because really, I'm just guessing here based on what I've heard and read from students and others in various situations. Is it totally wrong to suggest that the feelings that cause one to say 'sıkıldım' are always 100% exactly the same as the feelings that cause one to say 'bored?'

Sheikh Inal Ovar · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School

If you work in languages Burdik, you will find that adopting such a prescriptive approach will earn you nothing but ridicule ... especially when you are prescribing rules that you make up as you go along ...

sıkılmak

1. to be squeezed.
2. to get bored.
3. to become bashful; to feel embarrassed.
4. to become hard pressed for money, become financially straitened.

http://www.turkishdictionary.net/

1. get the pips. have the pips. be bored. get the willies. die.
2. chafe. fret. to be bored. be annoyed. be uneasy. be ashamed. to be
squeezed. to be pressed. to feel embarrassed. to be in straits.
3. be bored, get the willies, die. "to be squeezed, to be pressed; to be
bored; to feel embarrassed; to be in straits". ".
4. to be squeezed.
5. to get bored.
6. to become bashful; to feel embarrassed.
7. to become hard pressed for money, become financially straitened.".
8. to be squeezed. to get bored. to become bashful. to feel embarassed.

http://www.seslisozluk.com

Need I go on ... or do you feel that the dictionary makers are equally as wrong as my wife and the other Turks who use this word to express feelings other than boredom ...

hobo · Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 91

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this

justme · Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul

Hee! Get the pips. I've never heard that one before...

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

FGT · Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey

Burdik (a native speaker of Turkish) said:

burdik · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 33 Location: izmir

When I said I wasnt trying to prove her wrong I meant I wasnt solely trying to prove her wrong like some people do as they somehow like attacking other people's posts. I was trying to correct a misunderstanding as I said earlier.
anyways, I have checked the dictionary translations you gave me. Since they were not your translations but from a dictionary, I asked a couple of Turkish colleagues.
Sıkıldım might mean squeezed (like orange), but since it had nothing to do with the context I didnt even mention it.
-bashful, embarrased : there's an adjective for that which is SIKILGAN. However I never use SIKILDIM in that contex and none of the people I know or have spoken to do.

-to become hard pressed for money, become financially straitened : I really don't care what the dictionary says about this, but you never ever use this word for money. The word is SIKISTIM not SIKILDIM. Ask your Turkish friend, he / she will confirm with me.

We do say SIKILDIM in heavy traffic. Call it a cultural thing or blame it on my poor English if you will, maybe you never say 'I am bored' in such a situation but we do, and it doesnt mean annoyed. It means you are bored because the situation is boring - that the traffic is not moving and you are stuck there. (yes we say I am annoyed (sinirlendim, sinirliyim, kızgınım, etc...) but we also say SIKILDIM (I am bored - again might be a cultural thing). The people that I spoke to all agreed with me (all Turkish by the way) that SIKILDIM doesnt stand for embarrased, stressed, bashful, etc... but it can only be a feeling that is caused by those.

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

Golightly · Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:03 am Post subject:

However, the root of the word is still SIK - press, squeeze or pressurise, and all the examples you give are derivatives of that key meaning. It may well have altered meaning by usage: English does this all the time, in fact. examples being 'Silly', which meant, originally, 'holy', then 'innocent' and now 'stupid', and it is fairly obvious how it changed meaning; or 'enthusiast', which originally meant something akin to 'evangelist', then had a very negative connotation for a couple of centuries, before denoting someone who is very keen about a particular subject.
I feel that the Turkish 'SIKILDIM' has a wider meaning than the plain and simple 'I am bored', but it is not translatable. I also speak fluent Turkish, and it is clear to me that in many situations it implies frustration at having some kind of burden on the mind - hence being pressed or squeezed. Being bored in English almost implies the opposite - you're looking around for something to do mentally, yet can't find anything, or the task one is doing isn't fulfilling mantally.

yaramaz · Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:06 am Post subject:

Dmb, the 'I have went' thing is only regional- I'd never heard it outside of Ontario.

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

Sorry, I should have said Ontario. I realised that. Like when you ask for a coffee and they say double double??? wtf- only ontario

Golightly · Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:58 am Post subject:

Yes, I too am feeling gay - gayer than a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide, in fact.

Sheikh Inal Ovar · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School

I am quite aware of the crapiness of English-Turkish dictionaries ... their use served a purpose ... to show that there are other people out there who think as those of us on this board do, when we think there is something more to the meaning of 'SIKILDIM' than 'I am bored' ...

But to argue "You are wrong because I'm a native speaker" is not logical ... it merely asks us to bow to 'authority' ... if you're not convinced, just go to any crappy language school and listen to some of the native English speaking teachers talking absolute boll*cks ...

And to say that your fellow native speakers are wrong because they offer a deeper and more open minded analysis of the meaning behind the word is asinine ...

Who are you that we should believe what you say over that another Turk tells us ... who are you to think that we should believe you over what we have ourselves experienced?

It is to this that I object the most ... and before anyone calls foul, let us not forget how the ball started rolling ...

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

So why are you gay today Golighty? I am gay because I have the afternoon off and watching the women's world cup. Brazil are now my favourites.... especially Costa who scored the 4rth goal.