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mandarinstudent
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 91
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject: How do you cope? |
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How do the rest of you cope with low job satisfaction? At my University..
-I know that any white face could replace me at any time
-The people in charge couldn't give 2 sh*ts what I do in the classroom
-They have a meeting every week that I have to attend, not to participate in (by the time I get there business is concluded), but to be there "just in case" another teacher has an English question
-I get books and schedules mere days before class begins, even though the Chinese teachers have their schedule over a month in advance
-On 2 occasions I have offered free or cheap (relative to the market price) services to help them out. Instead of thanks, they try to suck even more free help out of me.
-Half of the students don't give a damn
I just hate the fact that, as far as importance, I am the bottom of the barrel as far as the University goes. It doesn't matter how hard I work or what I do, I am still nothing. From what I read on this forum, it is the same everywhere in China. I'm not blaming my University. For the most part, they are very nice to me and it isn't their fault that I am not important. We foreign teachers are just here temporarily and they just need to get what they can out of us while we are here. There is no point in long term training or anything because we are just going to split anyways. I can understand their point of view.
I must admit, I didn't come to China specifically to teach. To make a long story short, I came to China after graduating college to marry a friend I had fallen in love with while completing a summer long Chinese language program in China. I thought I could find a job in Finance (my major), but found that they don't need foreign fresh graduates in China. I'm teaching out of necessity until July 2008 (its either teach and get a visa or be separated from my wife), at which point I will be returning home to get a Master's so that I can a job related to my major in China (my wife wants to live here long term). Even though teaching isn't my dream career, I am still putting forth my best efforts to teach while in this situation. What I don't understand is how people can come here specifically to teach and then stay for years and years. If someone considers them self a "professional teacher", how can they get any job satisfaction in China? ...Or is it that most teachers in China don't really care because they are just here for the "superstar status" that being white in China brings? In that case, I guess that job satisfaction doesn't matter. How do the rest of you cope with this? Lack of job satisfaction is one of the reasons making me count down the days until I get out of China.
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7969

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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you can still come here and do a good job, despite the fact that you have to tell yourself that is many cases, the students and the school may not be interested in what you do and what you think. but i still show up each day and do what they pay me to do.
in my case, i've been here nearly four years now, i like the lifestyle, lots of free time, enough money to have a good life, and plenty of interesting places to go when i'm free.
if you came here expecting to see instant results in your students, and expect all of them to partake in all activities in your classroom, you'll be sorely disappointed. i know i was in the early stages. once you change your thinking from trying to achieve that, to a more relaxed mode in the classroom (focus on the ones who are keen, let the others jump in if they feel like it), then you'll begin to be more satisfied in these teaching jobs. it can be pretty good.
oh and i ran into the dean of our department the other day. first time i've met her (been here over a year now). we had a short discussion, where she did most of the talking. when she pointed out that i was welcome to praise the school and the students, she followed up with "we even welcome criticism!" i had to bite my tongue to prevent from laughing out loud... a nice enough woman anyway. |
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randyj
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 460 Location: Nanjing, Jiangsu, China
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Several years ago a particularly outstanding professor of mine shared with our class some details of his PhD dissertation. He had based his dissertation on a survey of foreign English teachers in China. His survey involved the factors linked to satisfaction teaching in China. He wanted to determine which personal factors (age, family background, work experience, language ability, etc.) related to successful adjustment to teaching English in China. He had taught in China, and he admitted to some bias going in. The results surprised him, he said. According to his finding, the critical factor was the teacher's level of expectation. High expectations correlated with difficulty adjusting, low expectations with high levels of success.
What recommendations can be taken from this? Should we attempt to lower our expectations? Not very practical, I'm afraid. I cannot cheerfully tell a teacher who is miserable in their job to just lower their expectations and everything will be OK. Come to think of it, just ignore all my previous words.
On the other hand, a colleague of mine presents a good model for job satisfaction teaching English in China. She is a professional teacher, having taught history in junior high in the US for many years, followed by several years in Saudi Arabia, then the Peace Corps in the Philippines. She spends prodigious amounts of time preparing lessons, in addition to extra-curricular activities. For her, it's all about the students. She derives job satisfaction from the students' success. She maintains contact with many former students as they continue their studies in China or abroad.
Few of the foreign teachers here harbor any illusions about our status. Given professional courtesy and organizational efficiency, we have low expectations otherwise. I mean, we are regarded as short-term commodities. This will not change. We will not let this affect our attitudes. I think a happy teacher, whether in China or elsewhere, is one who can gain satisfaction from students in the classroom. |
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lostinasia
Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 466
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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The fact is, on the extreme of just being a small number, people here are not professional teachers. The great majority are simply college graduates with no experience or desire to be a teacher. They are not credentialed, certified, or anything else. Nobody graduates with a degree in teaching only to dream of teacher for a few hundred dollars a month in China.
Why do you care what the department cares or doesn't care about you?
Do your job and do it well. Your students should experience a solid education. YOU decide what is to be taught and how it's taught.
I don't jump because the department tells me to and I don't go to meetings with one hour notice or change my schedule because they are unprofessional enough to not tell me.
Your experience and professionalism is what YOU make it.
Why nobody ever grasps that is beyond me.
Do the best you can do, with or without support.
It's as simple as that. The "coping" mechanism is beyond me as I see no need for it. |
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jammish

Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1704
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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lostinasia wrote: |
The fact is, on the extreme of just being a small number, people here are not professional teachers. The great majority are simply college graduates with no experience or desire to be a teacher. They are not credentialed, certified, or anything else. |
The same is true of TEFLers in every country. |
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mandarinstudent
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 91
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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lostinasia wrote: |
The fact is, on the extreme of just being a small number, people here are not professional teachers. The great majority are simply college graduates with no experience or desire to be a teacher. They are not credentialed, certified, or anything else. Nobody graduates with a degree in teaching only to dream of teacher for a few hundred dollars a month in China.
Why do you care what the department cares or doesn't care about you?
Do your job and do it well. Your students should experience a solid education. YOU decide what is to be taught and how it's taught.
I don't jump because the department tells me to and I don't go to meetings with one hour notice or change my schedule because they are unprofessional enough to not tell me.
Your experience and professionalism is what YOU make it.
Why nobody ever grasps that is beyond me.
Do the best you can do, with or without support.
It's as simple as that. The "coping" mechanism is beyond me as I see no need for it. |
I don't think my topic is unsubstantiated. In my opinion, part of job satisfaction comes from being needed, or vital to your employer. In the context of being a teacher, you should be important enough to be included in the school's dealings. You should be important to your students. In other words, if you left your employer, they should be at a loss. This is definitely not the case being a teacher in China. The school doesn't care about you, and if you left, the school wouldn't miss a beat. Another white face will take your place. As far as the students go, they could care less about your teaching ability, as long as you keep them entertained. I've seen a teacher let go because his students "didn't like him". It seems like the students don't even think of the FT classes as real classes. The Chinese teachers give them the "real" classes, the FT classes are just a way to be entertained by the white monkey for a couple of hours per week. I can understand the point of taking satisfaction from your students, but how can you when they and the school think so little of you? You are just a replaceable nobody. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: |
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My parents were both teachers. Many of the frustrations we have here are similar to the frustratons of teachers stateside. Students don't care, administration doesn't care, parents don't care. And I agree, sometimes the frustration is based on unreal expectations. we have all seen movies or tv shows with "super-teachers" who make an immediate difference.
Staying with a school for several years, or having the same class for two or more emesters helps, because you can see some of the differences. And regardless how the administration makes us feel (the common management/employee struggle) many find the work rewarding when we keep the eye on the prize, helping young people mature.
I imagine snickers, because based on the typical Dave post it's hard to imagine a laowai having that effect. Have you helped any students? Remember this part. This is the reward, the money a neccessity |
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Sonnet
Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 235 Location: South of the river
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: Re: How do you cope? |
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mandarinstudent wrote: |
How do the rest of you cope with low job satisfaction? |
You get a job you're satisfied with, change your outlook on life until you feel satisfied, or you go home.
It's really no more complicated than that. |
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william wallace
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2869 Location: in between
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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I used to drink tons of alcohol,but it was quasi-celebration too.Then when the situation kept getting unrelentingly poor, I began to mire in anger, depression and self-loathing at ever having come into....ESL. Now ? Trying not to panic, trying to hold onto either hope or fantasy, and re-enter my society once and for all.But that takes among other things-money,and that has become a rare commodity in this...the shining beacon of bureaucracy and greed- Beijing, also voted the most beautiful city in China.  |
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OGFT
Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 432
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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In other words, if you left your employer, they should be at a loss. |
An employment organization should be set up so as to not suffer, logistically or administratively, from the departure of an employee.
Stop defining yourself by your job and look instead to your past times to determine self worth. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: Re: How do you cope? |
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mandarinstudent wrote: |
How do the rest of you cope with low job satisfaction? At my University..
--On 2 occasions I have offered free or cheap (relative to the market price) services to help them out. Instead of thanks, they try to suck even more free help out of me.
I thought I could find a job in Finance (my major), but found that they don't need foreign fresh graduates in China. I'm teaching out of necessity until July 2008 (its either teach and get a visa or be separated from my wife), at which point I will be returning home to get a Master's so that I can a job related to my major in China (of the reasons making me count down the days until I get out of China |
Welcome to the club, and it's hard ! You must set other goals to keep some type of sanity.
See my other postings, doing a great job and more work = more work period.
I hate to tell you this, but once you complete your masters degree you will be in the same situation (back to teaching) at best you will receive that additional 300 RMB a month for getting your degree. Good jobs are hard to find in China, you're better at trying to network to get some type of position. Remember , you often will be paid "local hire wage" which means the guy next to you hired directly from his home country gets 50,000 RMB a month to do the same job that you are getting 5000 RMB a month.
Very good jobs in China GO TO THE CHINESE, not to the foreigners.
You can be born in China, speak Chinese, but always be considered Laowai because you don't look Han Chinese.
China is not like a western country that allows all citizens the same opportunity. Your opportunities are limited unless you have the investment cash to start your own or use your Laowainess to get some type of position.
You need to step outside the box and think , "What kind of business could you do in China"
How can you earn money by being the boss and effort = reward. |
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mandarinstudent
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 91
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:41 am Post subject: Re: How do you cope? |
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SnoopBot wrote: |
mandarinstudent wrote: |
How do the rest of you cope with low job satisfaction? At my University..
--On 2 occasions I have offered free or cheap (relative to the market price) services to help them out. Instead of thanks, they try to suck even more free help out of me.
I thought I could find a job in Finance (my major), but found that they don't need foreign fresh graduates in China. I'm teaching out of necessity until July 2008 (its either teach and get a visa or be separated from my wife), at which point I will be returning home to get a Master's so that I can a job related to my major in China (of the reasons making me count down the days until I get out of China |
Welcome to the club, and it's hard ! You must set other goals to keep some type of sanity.
See my other postings, doing a great job and more work = more work period.
I hate to tell you this, but once you complete your masters degree you will be in the same situation (back to teaching) at best you will receive that additional 300 RMB a month for getting your degree. Good jobs are hard to find in China, you're better at trying to network to get some type of position. Remember , you often will be paid "local hire wage" which means the guy next to you hired directly from his home country gets 50,000 RMB a month to do the same job that you are getting 5000 RMB a month.
Very good jobs in China GO TO THE CHINESE, not to the foreigners.
You can be born in China, speak Chinese, but always be considered Laowai because you don't look Han Chinese.
China is not like a western country that allows all citizens the same opportunity. Your opportunities are limited unless you have the investment cash to start your own or use your Laowainess to get some type of position.
You need to step outside the box and think , "What kind of business could you do in China"
How can you earn money by being the boss and effort = reward. |
Well, when I come back to China next time I am not making the same mistake. I plan on getting the Master's and obtaining experience in the US, then either get transferred to China with an expat package or find a job in China before I get on a plane. I'm not just going to get the Master's and fly back to China. I learned my lesson the first time. |
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mandarinstudent
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 91
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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OGFT wrote: |
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In other words, if you left your employer, they should be at a loss. |
An employment organization should be set up so as to not suffer, logistically or administratively, from the departure of an employee.
Stop defining yourself by your job and look instead to your past times to determine self worth. |
That makes absolutely no sense. If that were the case, then companies would never invest any money training anyone because everyone is expendable. Everyone would make the same wage because they are all worth the same to the company. If you owned a company and had an employee that you invested 5 years of training on, and this employee did a fantastic job, wouldn't your company feel a loss if he decided to leave? Of course it would because you have to find a new employee, train him/her, and wait X number of years before he/she reaches the level of competency of the original employee. All of this costs time and money, not to mention the intangible qualities that are leaving with the original employee.
Did you think at all before typing that statement?...No wonder the Universities here believe we are so expendable...there are too many idiots in China teaching English. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 39
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:02 am Post subject: |
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When I first started teaching EFL, for years I always was burdened by "needing to be needed". I really wanted to be valued by my employer and to be constantly thought of as "the good shepherd".
Slowly, I weaned myself from this need. What I do now to cope is focus on my classroom. Making it the best learning environment possible. The rest, I let slide off me. I try day in and day out to take joys in the small moments of my teaching and especially changing from a teacher who taught "a subject" to a teacher who teaches "students" and by default, motivational psychology.
That's how I cope at work.....by baby steps, we can travel far.
DD |
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mandarinstudent
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 91
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: Re: How do you cope? |
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Sonnet wrote: |
mandarinstudent wrote: |
How do the rest of you cope with low job satisfaction? |
You get a job you're satisfied with, change your outlook on life until you feel satisfied, or you go home.
It's really no more complicated than that. |
I can't just "go home", I am waiting for my wife's visa. I would rather stick it out here for a while than go home without her. |
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