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cheryl



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:42 am    Post subject: Violence in the classroom Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I know I probably should post this in the Japan section since i'm in Japan but I wanted to get as much feedback as possible. Here's my question: In a team teaching situation, have you ever experienced violence in the classroom? Have you seen a teacher hit a student or vice versa? If so, how did you handle it? Did you tell the principles?
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guty



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should imagine the principles are that violence never pays, couldnt you tell?
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cheryl



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Guty, I made a typo there...I meant to ask if you told the Principals...not the the principles.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was young and teaching in Korea, I had a young Korean teacher (20 yr old) there who used to hit kids in the arm with a wooden stick if they did something wrong. I used to tell her to stop to no avail. Then one day I had enough, grabbed the stick from her hand and threatened to hit her with it if she did it again. I wouldn't do that now, I'm a little more diplomatic. But it was effective, the teacher-girl never hit the kids again.
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dduck



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think phsycologists would have a field day with that one. I assume you, Gordon, threatend your young teacher in front of all the students. I might seem that you've solved the problem but you also reinforced the idea that violence solves problems. On the other hand, if we are hierarchical animals then you taught the students that you're the alpha-male and they'd better not mess with you.

I know you said you wouldn't do it again, what exactly would you do if it happened again?

To answer the question, I teach adults - mainly women, so I have absolutely no need for violence in the classroom. I have trouble getting them to stop laughing sometimes. Confused

Iain
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october



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sometimes kids who use violence in the class, see this kind of behavior at home situations first, so under no circumstances do you want to report violent behavior to his parents (not at first anyway), not until you know for sure that it's not from home. I hardly have any violence in my classes, it's just not acceptibale to me, and the kids know it, but since i know the nervous types already, i know when they are about to explode and try to stop the "explosion" before it happens.
BUT a teacher hitting a student???? first of all she would be out flat on her face that same day (fired) and second she would defenetly have a criminal record.
Telling the principal? it depends on the principal. If she has a backbone and the students know this so it will help to tell her about a situation that can be dangerous to teacher and other students.
violence is a tricky business. I would never raise a hand on a student, i hardly ever raise my voice either.
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The Darn



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a news story this morning on cnn.com about a teacher in Morroco that had thrown 2 students out the first floor window. They were talking and she told them to be quiet or she would throw them out, they didn't shut up, so she threw them out. One of the students was injured. They didn't say whether the teacher would be discaplined or not.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dduck asked me
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I know you said you wouldn't do it again, what exactly would you do if it happened again?


In that situation, I was the teacher and she was to assist me in translating. If this happened now, I would talk to her first (like I did in the past) and then talk to the principal about it. If she continued to do that, I would tell her to leave and would refuse to teach with her in the class. This young teacher would hit the students quite badly and they'd be black and blue the next day. I know she enjoyed hitting the students and found it amusing.
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J-Pop



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:21 am    Post subject: Re: Violence in the classroom Reply with quote

cheryl wrote:
Hi everyone,

I know I probably should post this in the Japan section since i'm in Japan but I wanted to get as much feedback as possible. Here's my question: In a team teaching situation, have you ever experienced violence in the classroom? Have you seen a teacher hit a student or vice versa? If so, how did you handle it? Did you tell the principles?



cheryl,
1. Good idea Arrow to also post this in the Japan section.

2. When teaching English in Japan, at a junior high school, I personally:

2a. SAW one instance of violence used (quite effectively!) by a teacher on a student -- in the teacher's room Exclamation There were two or three other teacher's providing "back-up" if necessary. Later the student returned & apologized . . .
2b. EXPERIENCED an instance of a student (one of a trio of buddies, "bad boys"), during a team-teaching situation, walk to the front of the room (where I was standing) & suddenly reach for my face (trying to fondle my mustache?). I grabbed the student's hand & we had a brief struggle, till I bent his arm so far back, afterwards I thought I'd (unintentionally) hurt him. His hand was pretty red from getting squeezed so hard. It all happened super fast, no time for thinking . . . or talking . . . .
2c. HEARD from reliable sources, i.e., other teachers) of a teacher who regularly hit his students. Supposedly, his class was one of the best behaved in that school Rolling Eyes
2d. WITNESSED an incident so wild & out-of-control that I'm guessing few people (non-Japanese anyway) would believe me if I really explained what happened. It was like something right out of the movies! Shocked I really wish I'd been able to film it . . .

I reported incident 2b to our ALT supervisor (for both JETs and non-JETs) the woman at the City Board of Education. I told her I was afraid the situation could get out of control if not addressed.

The student who disrupted class & his compatriots were made to apologize to me at my desk in the teacher's room & all was pretty much OK after that with one added touch. That is, I figured out they were (perhaps) genuinely curious about my stache (as in mustache) & thus tried to make a joke out of it by inviting the 3 wannabe hooligans to come up to the front of the class. I then, in front of the class, invited them to touch my stache! Very Happy The one whose arm got bent was the only one who took me up on the offer. That "teaching moment" seemed to settle everything down quite satisfactorily for the rest of the term.

My opinion, USE your own judgement about whether to say anything or not. Are you there with some kind of a program? Like do you have a supervisor from the city (-shi) or province (-ken)? If you have a good relationship with your "boss" (supervisor) I would mention it to him/her first. Then let your super decide how to handle it or, as is more likely -- avoid it. Cool

Unless you have a good rapport with the principal (or vice principal) I would not mention it to him. Just my opinion.
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