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Is it practical to teach English in Japan for years?
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magicmajenta



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Is it practical to teach English in Japan for years? Reply with quote

Are there people here that have stayed in Japan for years and have had good employment throughout and have saved up quite a bit? Or are most people who teach in Japan only there for a year or two? I am just curious and want to know what are the long-term prospects for a teacher in Japan. Will you be able to get a good job after working in Japan with one of the Eikawas especially if you look for a job in Japan after your contract is over. Let me know your thoughts.
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chollimaspeed



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends...
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sallycat



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

magicmajenta wrote:
I am just curious and want to know what are the long-term prospects for a teacher in Japan. Will you be able to get a good job after working in Japan with one of the Eikawas especially if you look for a job in Japan after your contract is over. Let me know your thoughts.

Some people have been teaching here for decades. Others leave after a few months or a year or 2. Most JET ALTs stay only 1 or 2 years. I think half of them never stay beyond the first year.

Some people save quite a bit (100,000 yen/month has been the usual upper limit for people on salaries of 250,000, but that is entry level wage, so if you stay longer, you can make/save more). Some people don't save a single yen.

The long-term prospects for a teacher in Japan will depend on you. Help us get started here. What is your background, and what are your goals for teaching long-term?

Some people string together PT jobs practically forever.
Some people start their own businesses teaching.
Some people work at universities (most uni jobs are not tenured, so they have to move every few years).

I don't think you're going to find any reliable source of statistics that says X% of foreign teachers stay a certain length of time. Logically, the more you are prepared with the right background, the better the odds are for staying longer.

Mind you, some people stay but don't like it, too.
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groothewanderer



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
Yes.
It depends.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are there people here that have stayed in Japan for years and have had good employment throughout and have saved up quite a bit?


Your chances of landing a good position (I assume you mean a lucrative one) are dependent on your qualifications. If you're holding a PGCE/BEd, and you work in an international school, you're likely doing well. If you're an MA TESL holder working in private high schools or unis, you might earn more or less than the above mentioned.

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Or are most people who teach in Japan only there for a year or two?


If you are entry-level, you will likely have to scrimp and save working at eikaiwa or ALT jobs.

What Glenski said - you didn't tell us what you bring to Japan. That determines what kind of jobs you get and how long you'll last.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It takes a lot of people to make a world, Magic. I fit into the first group you described. You can do the same.
Enjoy,
s
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of long termers in Japan. It gets easier if you have higher qualifications and connections.
It really is up to you. Some people get back on the next plane after less than a day in Japan.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Korea, but I worked at a youth hotel in which many of our guests were English teachers from Japan on their visa runs. My impression is that English teachers in Japan are much more likely to be lifers than English teachers in Korea. Japan is more set up for that kind of thing. In Korea, you can't own your own visa, so your company can treat you like crap and fire you without paying, and you have only a short amount of time to stay in the country, whereas if your Japanese employer fires you one month in without paying, you can stick around for 11 months and give them hell about it. Furthermore, long-termers in Japan get special benefits, like the ability to self-sponsor their visa, the ability to work part time outside of the main workplace (as in tutoring) and, in the case of one professor I met in Hakata who's been in Japan for over 20 years, the ability to get permanent residency from length of stay/a good job (I have never, in my 3+ years in Korea, met a foreigner who got that without either being racially Korean or without marrying one). Really, how enjoyable the foreign teachers find a country is likely to be determined by how much the government tries to restrict their activities.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
I live in Korea, but I worked at a youth hotel in which many of our guests were English teachers from Japan on their visa runs. My impression is that English teachers in Japan are much more likely to be lifers than English teachers in Korea. Japan is more set up for that kind of thing. In Korea, you can't own your own visa, so your company can treat you like crap and fire you without paying, and you have only a short amount of time to stay in the country, whereas if your Japanese employer fires you one month in without paying, you can stick around for 11 months and give them hell about it. Furthermore, long-termers in Japan get special benefits, like the ability to self-sponsor their visa, the ability to work part time outside of the main workplace (as in tutoring) and, in the case of one professor I met in Hakata who's been in Japan for over 20 years, the ability to get permanent residency from length of stay/a good job (I have never, in my 3+ years in Korea, met a foreigner who got that without either being racially Korean or without marrying one). Really, how enjoyable the foreign teachers find a country is likely to be determined by how much the government tries to restrict their activities.


Other benefits include: child tax benefits (I receive 20,000/month for 3 kids), and some pension rebate.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Furthermore, long-termers in Japan get special benefits, like the ability to self-sponsor their visa, the ability to work part time outside of the main workplace (as in tutoring)
Neither of these requires being a "long-termer". You can self-sponsor after just one year, and you can work PT from day 1.

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and, in the case of one professor I met in Hakata who's been in Japan for over 20 years, the ability to get permanent residency from length of stay/a good job (I have never, in my 3+ years in Korea, met a foreigner who got that without either being racially Korean or without marrying one).
PR can be obtained after 5 or 10 years, depending on one's situation, and that includes being married or single.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
Furthermore, long-termers in Japan get special benefits, like the ability to self-sponsor their visa, the ability to work part time outside of the main workplace (as in tutoring)
Neither of these requires being a "long-termer". You can self-sponsor after just one year, and you can work PT from day 1.
Keep my perspective in mind: I'm living in Korea, where anything over one-year is a hardcore and long-term. Laughing

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and, in the case of one professor I met in Hakata who's been in Japan for over 20 years, the ability to get permanent residency from length of stay/a good job (I have never, in my 3+ years in Korea, met a foreigner who got that without either being racially Korean or without marrying one).
PR can be obtained after 5 or 10 years, depending on one's situation, and that includes being married or single.
That's great news for people living in Japan. I'm just curious, because I want to find out how feasible long term residence is in Japan -- do you personally know anyone who got it in less than 10 years? Note to self: move to Japan.

The general point of a lot of posts in this forum is this: if you're an English teacher in Korea, you're on an E-1 or E-2 visa unless you're married. It doesn't matter if you've been teaching for 50 years -- you still have the same, restrictive visa. In contrast, Japan gradually starts treating you better, through a series of visa upgrades (first you're on a school-sponsored visa, then self-sponsored, then PR if you have prestige and are lucky). I theorize this is one reason why English teachers in Japan always seem happier, even though it's more difficult to save money than it is in Korea.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not a visa upgrade. A self-sponsored visa is different not better than getting a school to sponsor you.
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magicmajenta



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well basically my qualifications are that I have a BA in Political Science, a JD (Juris Doctor-law degree) and a Global Tesol College Certificate and a few months of English teaching experience in Poland. I plan on taking the bar exam in the future but for now I want/need to work and earn some money. I initially want to get a job with one of the Eikaiwas first but then after that maybe move on to something better in time. So what are my long term prospects in Japan? Will I get better work eventually after my time with an Eikaiwa? I'd really like to know because if I like my time in Japan I may stay longer.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can tell you several people who got PR after living here less than 10 years, but they were all married to Japanese. That's what I meant by my previous post. Ten years it the guideline for single people.
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