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TONS
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 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: EF English First Swara Group Tropical Indonesia |
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Can anyone tell me more about the EF English First Swara Group Tropical Indonesia? They mailed my hubby asking if he would be interested in applying for posts in Jakarta (city) & Bogor (suburb) for January 2008.
Is it a good company to work for? What are the salaries like? We have never lived overseas (we are South Africans), what are the living conditions. |
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Llamalicious
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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The "Tropical" bit is new to me, but the Swara group is what gives EF its appalling reputation. There have been many threads devoted to their machinations. Be warned.
Also, I believe that South Africans are not classed as 'native speakers' by the Indonesian government and thus cannot get work permits as English teachers. Some (dodgy) schools will classify Saffers as "expert consultants" or some such circumlocution and put them to work teaching anyway. Also be warned: if immigration catch you at this, you may well be deported. |
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Llamalicious
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guruengerish
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: South Africans |
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Don't be entirely disheartened by what you read.
There are a helluva lot of negative writings, mine included. but all-in-all, it's an experience!
You won't save a thing, but think what a holiday to Indonesia would cost you otherwise!
I have come across South Africans teaching, and a Kenyan guy and even some Dutch. I can't imagine why Immigration exclude SA's, unless they haven't updated their earlier laws going back to aparthied. |
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Atoms for Peace
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: Re: South Africans |
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| guruengerish wrote: |
| I can't imagine why Immigration exclude SA's, unless they haven't updated their earlier laws going back to aparthied. |
In a word "ignorance", rather than any noble anti-apartheid ideals. in the same way that all Irish people are not native speakers because they speak Irish, South Africans are not either because they speak.... er... African?
Incidentally, many Indonesians seem to believe that all South Africans are black, and some of my white SA friends have been laughed at when they say they are from there!
By the way, simple anti-foreigner sentiment may be another factor, as manifested in this week's pathetic protests over the beating by Malaysian police of an Indonesian karate referee (who perhaps should have paid more attention to the techniques of the contestants he was overseeing  ) |
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laughing_magpie06
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I always laugh at the way EF talks up Indonesia as a beautiful, tropical country making people believe they will bask in the sun under palm trees with a jungle juice when in reality they will be choking on bajaj fumes in overcrowded concrete jungles.
Reminds me of an old aussie movie where Harry Secombe was looking at the London drizzle and dreaming of Bondi Beach only to end up back of Bourke getting eaten by mosquitos and living in the desert. |
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guruengerish
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: back o' Bourke |
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back of Bourke getting eaten by mosquitos and living in the desert.
A mozzie's gotta feed!!
Anyway, I wonder if you were thinking of Peter Ustinov, and not Sir Cumference??
As for Ton's original comments, I wonder if it would be worth while speaking to someone at the SA Embassy, and trying to elicit if the SA teaching ban really is still in place?
I know I read a while back that South Africa was in fact one of the 'allowed' countries.
Give it a go mate! |
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Llamalicious
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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I just noticed this:
If you have the idea that Bogor will be some leafy getaway, you will be disappointed. There's a nice botanical garden, but other than that it's more a hideously congested satellite town than a suburb. You'd be bettetr off in Jakarta. |
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TEAM_PAPUA
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: * |
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| Is it a good company to work for? What are the salaries like? We have never lived overseas (we are South Africans), what are the living conditions. |
It's great. Especially for people who cannot manage to do a simple forum search.
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| They mailed my hubby |
A new initiative. Maybe you'll get a door prize. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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yet another "EF Group"...nice s*x that EF's got all around the world 
EF's designed its marketing strategy to attract all kinda business people and so there's a lot of washing going on...dirty cash've been invested in this educational operation under the guise of a world class franchise..why would you guys want to help those thugs to thrive in their biz 
do not work for any of'em and you'll do a favor to officials that fight corruption around the world 
peace to eslers that wish to travel
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cheers and beers to all hard working FTs everywhere 
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Omen
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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Location: Bogor, Indonesia
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Llamalicious wrote: |
I just noticed this:
If you have the idea that Bogor will be some leafy getaway, you will be disappointed. There's a nice botanical garden, but other than that it's more a hideously congested satellite town than a suburb. You'd be bettetr off in Jakarta. |
Better off in Jakarta than Bogor?!?! You're kidding right? I would have to be paid a huge amount of money to slum it in Jakarta.
In Bogor you are close enough to have all the conveniences of Jakarta without actually having to live there. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| ...I would have to be paid a huge amount of money ... |
i didn't know that was possible in the esl biz
cheers and beers to Bogor and its EF that must be washing it the right way |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| englishgibson wrote: |
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| ...I would have to be paid a huge amount of money ... |
i didn't know that was possible in the esl biz
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You didn't? Plenty of people make large amounts of money in ESL as well as in EFL.*
The backpackers and TEFLers and CELTites probably don't. But the professionals definitely do -- even in China.
* Note to non-English gibson: Teaching English at an EF franchise in Indonesia is not ESL. |
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TEAM_PAPUA
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: * |
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| Plenty of people make large amounts of money in ESL as well as in EFL |
These people live to teach. TEFL Nazis are Cool!
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| * Note to non-English gibson: Teaching English at an EF franchise in Indonesia is not ESL. |
Maybe you should tell Dave that he needs to change the name of his website to www.eflcafe.com
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Llamalicious
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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^ this is the reason teacher's salaries are so low. If doing a professional job makes you a Nazi, then Heil Hitler.  |
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