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Technicalities! Yet Another Visa Question

 
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travelinggirl



Joined: 19 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:45 am    Post subject: Technicalities! Yet Another Visa Question Reply with quote

Like some of you, I was supposed to be leaving for Japan this week to begin working for Nova. I have decided to... not go in that direction.

I have been offered a job with another company. I have not yet set foot in japan, and have JUST picked my Visa (sponsored by Nova) up from the consulate.

My question: is it wise for me to show up in japan (with this visa) when I am working for a different company than the one that originally sponsored me? I don't want to get sent to jail or denied entry!!
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Angelfish



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be fine. Just make sure you change your sponsor at the immigration office within a couple of months. Your visa isn't locked into the company that initially sponsors you.
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skelonas



Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angelfish wrote:
You'll be fine. Just make sure you change your sponsor at the immigration office within a couple of months. Your visa isn't locked into the company that initially sponsors you.


Is this true for both holiday working visas and regular working visas? Does this still apply if you have already arrived and worked for the company who sponsored and then switch jobs?
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Quibby84



Joined: 10 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really dont think that your working visa is locked into a certain company. I think that a working visa is a working visa, if you have one then you can work, I dont think that your working visa is set for working at a certain company. People change jobs all the time, dont worry...if you have that stamp in your passport you are fine...
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since Nova is still limping along, your visa will be valid when you arrive. If you were planning to come later and Nova had previously declared bankruptcy, then it is quite probable that Immigration wouldn't grant you the work permit at the airport. It hasn't reached that stage yet so you should be okay with the visa.

Hope everything works out for you in Japan in spite of the shaky start.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skelonas wrote:
Is this true for both holiday working visas and regular working visas?
Working holiday visas do not require a sponsor.
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Patros



Joined: 21 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There may be some cause for concern if you notified Nova that you're not going to be working for them.


From the MOFA website:

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Landing permission is stamped in a foreigner's passport by immigration officers at the airport or seaport where he or she goes through immigration procedures. It is this landing permission, not a visa, that serves as the legal basis for the foreigner's stay in Japan. A visa is only a recommendation and does not automatically guarantee landing permission.
When a foreigner wishing to enter Japan arrives at an airport or seaport in Japan, he or she first of all has to apply to an immigration officer for landing permission. The immigration officer will check the validity of the foreigner's passport, the existence of a visa when necessary, the validity of the visa, the purpose of entering Japan, the scheduled period of stay, and so on. Landing permission will be granted only if all the conditions stipulated in the Immigration Control Act, including those being checked by the immigration officer, are met.


here: http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/01.html#b2 .

In theory Nova could have told immigration that you're not going to work for them (assuming you've informed them), which could invalidate the visa.
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tahoemud



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also supposed to leave for Japan soon (October 16th).

The Nova group in Boston also admitted that they are very much in the dark about when (or how) things will turn around -- and they too suggested I could cancel, or postpone my trip.

Quite a few uncertainties here, you know? Will Nova be able to pay me for my first few months? Will Nova downsize -- or go under? Will it become diffifcult to find work (as an inexperienced teacher) when so many ex-Nova folks are also looking for new jobs.

A friend in Tokyo says I'm worrying too much. He says, "As long as you have your work visa, you're going to be OK." He imagines one could find work within 4-6 weeks.

I have no idea.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tahoemud,
Your friend. Has he ever tried getting a job here from mid-October to early December? It's pretty much dead time.

The NOVA people in Boston. Are they permanent Bostonians, or did they fly in from Japan? If it's the former, they know zilch about what is going on here. If it's the latter, they may know the same or only a wee bit more, but they sure aren't going to tell new recruits. You have to figure things out for yourself. Come if they still want you (and sponsor your visa), and you will probably be given whatever assignment is open. That might mean quite a few opportunities despite downsizing, especially since NOVA hasn't paid in a couple of months or more (and people are likely leaving in droves on account of that). Not exactly the atmosphere I'd like to fly 7000 miles into...

If you still have your visa when you come... well, that's the rub, isn't it? If you do, then you are eligible for practically any entry level teaching job around, but there will be a gazillion (desperate) NOVA teachers beating the streets (if they haven't gone home), and as I mentioned above, that will be a dreary time of year to look for work. You will need a full-time sponsor for that visa if you decide to ditch NOVA (or they go under). You can't just self-sponsor with a string of PT work until you've used that visa for a year or more.

So, really think hard about this decision. And, NOVA is not the only fish in the sea.
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tahoemud



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your friend. Has he ever tried getting a job here from mid-October to early December? It's pretty much dead time.


My friend doesn't teach -- he's an M.D., a psychiatrist living in Tokyo. He's fluent in Japanese, has lived in Tokyo for 15 years -- but of course he's not exactly an expert in what's going on in the Japanese ESL world.
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You will need a full-time sponsor for that visa if you decide to ditch NOVA (or they go under). You can't just self-sponsor with a string of PT work until you've used that visa for a year or more.



I'm still confused about the visa. I have my COE; I could get my work visa tomorrow at the consulate in NYC (I live in Jersey). If Nova goes under, or I leave voluntarily -- wouldn't the work visa carry me through for at least the remainder of my first year?

Thanks for your help -- I really appreciate the suggestions, comments.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you are in Japan your visa is valid for the duration. Just make sure that you are working when the time comes to renew it.

Until you are in Japan your visa is only a recommendation to the immigration officer to grant you permisiion to land. This may not be given if you appear at Narita with neither a job to go to nor a sponsor.
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