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What are the chances of finding a job in Yanji in April?
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How likely is Charles to find a teaching job in Yanji if he hunts there for a month (in April)?
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: What are the chances of finding a job in Yanji in April? Reply with quote

Hello. I'm new to these forums as a poster, but I sure read a lot of these posts!

Basically, my Korean language program at Yonsei University in Seoul ends in late March, 2008. I'm going to be pretty much out of money at that point. I plan to go to China to teach and earn money (unfortunately, since I don't have a bachelor's degree, I can't teach legally in Korea).

I've been to Yanji in Yanbian, Korean Autonomous Prefecture, Jilin (in China) once before and liked it. I would like to teach English there.

My main concern is that I won't be able to find a job teaching English there around that time. Can someone please tell me what my chances of finding a job there in late March/early April are?

Here are my selling points:
- I'm a native English speaker who grew up in Northern Virginia (the part that doesn't have the southern twang).
- I'm CELTA certified.
- I will be 21 when I go job hunting.
- I am of European ethnic extraction (even if it's wrong to use this as a selling point, I know for a fact that it helps).
- I am unlikely to run away in the middle of the night because I've lived in Asia for over six years and speak Korean (KLPT Level 3: 3000-4000 words) and basic Chinese, so I'm pretty well-adjusted and unlikely to have serious culture shock.

Here are some points where I'm not so strong:
- I am a high school graduate, but I only have about a year of college.
- I don't have any experience in teaching ESL besides the nine evaluated lessons that I did through CELTA, and explaining things to my Korean language exchange partners.

I realize no one can say definitively whether I'll get a job or not. I'm just wondering, realistically, if I can be 80% sure of getting one there in April, or if I should look elsewhere. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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tw



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apply to as many language training centre jobs as you can. I am positive you will be hired.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, tw.

To everyone, including tw:
Do you think it'll be a problem that the school year has already started?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Thank you, tw.

To everyone, including tw:
Do you think it'll be a problem that the school year has already started?

yeah it'll be a problem at anything but language training centres. the university school year is almost over at that point.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Do you think it'll be a problem that the school year has already started?


Language training centres don't have school years. They start lessons once the student roster is filled up. Translation: they hire year round.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
Thank you, tw.

To everyone, including tw:
Do you think it'll be a problem that the school year has already started?

yeah it'll be a problem. the school year is almost over at that point.


That's what I'm worried about. I'm hoping that Yanji is starved enough of native English teachers that they won't care (have you ever met an FT who especially wanted to teach there), or that maybe one of their previously-hired ones will have run away in the night. Still, I'm worried about it. So I'm trying to get lots of opinions. So I see a "thumbs up" vote from tw and a "thumbs down" vote from 7969. Anyone else have an opinion?
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, okay, so it looks like a thumbs up from both of you on language training centers. Good news, good news.

I'm probably not qualified enough to teach at a uni anyway. You need a degree to do that, I'd expect, even in China...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
I'm probably not qualified enough to teach at a uni anyway. You need a degree to do that, I'd expect, even in China...


You'd be surprised.

I am not a degree holder either.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
I'm probably not qualified enough to teach at a uni anyway. You need a degree to do that, I'd expect, even in China...


You'd be surprised.

I am not a degree holder either.


Cool. Most of the postings on the job board really surprised me by making outlandish demands like "bachelor's degree in English, TEFL certificate, and three years of teaching experience required" but I'd imagine a lot of them are just trying to act high and mighty. I guess you can't pay someone a similar wage to a 7-Eleven employee and expect them to have all those credentials. Wink

Still, fine for me, because the most noble job I've ever worked was 7-Eleven, so I'd imagine that anything, even a language training center, would be an improvement... Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

your biggest problem is that you dont have much cash to tide you over till you find a decent job. others who have come before you in a similar position sometimes found themselves taking any job that came along as their cash dried up. people without the means (money) to get themselves out of a bad situation, or wait for a better offer to come along, are easy prey for unscrupulous employers. there are a few similar stories in the archives.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:
your biggest problem is that you dont have much cash to tide you over till you find a decent job. others who have come before you in a similar position sometimes found themselves taking any job that came along as their cash dried up. people without the means (money) to get themselves out of a bad situation, or wait for a better offer to come along, are easy prey for unscrupulous employers. there are a few similar stories in the archives.


Oh, I can believe it. I'm being frank with you guys about it, but I'm going to use my last bit of cash to get a nice suit for the interviews, and as far as the employers are concerned, I have thousands in the bank and I'm teaching for the experience, not the money. Laughing

Though that couldn't be farther from the truth... Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, these are interesting replies. Does anyone else have any views to share?

I was there (in Yanji) for about four days during the summer. It was hot as hell, and there was pretty much no air conditioning or showers outside the jjimjilbang, but it was a nice place. I mean, it was like a little, tiny, much cheaper Seoul. They had Kimbap Cheonguk, except that the menu items were like three times cheaper. I stayed in a Yeogwan (called a "Ryeogwan" in their dialect) that was 20 RMB a night. There's no need to buy a PC because the local PC bang only charges 1 RMB per hour. They have a university there with classes in Korean, including Korean language classes. Lots of people speak Korean natively, and despite what Koreans in Seoul warned me, the dialect isn't that different. Unlike Seoul, where people immediately assume you're mentally incapable of speaking Korean, people in Yanji are much more likely to be willing to have a Korean conversation with you. In retrospect, I should've gone there originally instead of Seoul. However, I'm now entrenched in the Yonsei program, and intend to finish, so I can't go there until March, 2008 unless I want to cut my program of studies short.

Anyways, I'll go there in March or April and just take the best job that's available to me. I had offers from one a while ago for a salary of 5,500 RMB a month and shared accommodation with another English teacher or a housing subsidy of 500 a month (nearly enough to rent a decent hotel room without any money from my pocket), but I ended up turning it down in favor of studying more at Yonsei. I'll be sure to contact them again.

I know there are at least four English training centers in the city. I have corresponded with one online and seen three in person. I'm sure there are ones that I didn't see with my own eyes. Yet, during four days in the city, I doubt I saw more than five foreigners total, so I'd imagine there's an FT shortage. So I'm optimistic, but am just curious if anyone else has any more input.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh? Who is Mr. K? How was he f---ing with the US? Or do you mean "us," and you capitalized it?

I don't see anyone in this thread with a screen name that starts with K. Did he delete his post? This is really, really cryptic...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
tw wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
I'm probably not qualified enough to teach at a uni anyway. You need a degree to do that, I'd expect, even in China...


You'd be surprised.

I am not a degree holder either.


Cool. Most of the postings on the job board really surprised me by making outlandish demands like "bachelor's degree in English, TEFL certificate, and three years of teaching experience required" but I'd imagine a lot of them are just trying to act high and mighty.


On the surface they ask for this and demand that, but often a degree and/or a CELTA and a white face is all they want -- often with the white face being more important.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
tw wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
I'm probably not qualified enough to teach at a uni anyway. You need a degree to do that, I'd expect, even in China...


You'd be surprised.

I am not a degree holder either.


Cool. Most of the postings on the job board really surprised me by making outlandish demands like "bachelor's degree in English, TEFL certificate, and three years of teaching experience required" but I'd imagine a lot of them are just trying to act high and mighty.


On the surface they ask for this and demand that, but often a degree and/or a CELTA and a white face is all they want -- often with the white face being more important.


Good to hear. It makes sense. I'd think that anyone interested in Chinese language and culture who had a degree would be teaching in Taiwan instead, since the money in China isn't that great. As soon as I get my bachelor's degree online while working in China, I'm on to greener pastures where I get paid more than $10,000 a year (after completing my contract, of course)!
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