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haoleboy
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 Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: Corporate English Trainer/ Business English Jobs? |
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| Can anyone recommend reputable and well paying corporate English trainer/ business english companies/schools in China? (ones that sponsor visas from abroad) Online I could only find Delter and Wall Street Institute. With an MBA from a top 20 school would it be better to try university positions? My chinese is still rough so probably can't work outside of ESL. (which is my eventual goal) Thank you! |
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lostinasia
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| If your MBA is from such a reputable facility (top 20 as you say) then why not get a high paying, reputable job in your home country ? |
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Ahchoo
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Yes, that's a good idea, let's recommend the reputable and high paying jobs to newbie.
Better idea, come over and do the hard yards like everyone else, find the reputable well paying jobs on your own then recommend them to a newbie yourself, yeah, that'll work. |
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mandarinstudent
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If your final goal is to work in China but outside the ESL industry, why not get a job working for an international company that has branches in China? Then you could get yourself transfered to China and receive the fat expat package that goes with it without having to d!ck around being an ESL teacher (from the tone of your first post teaching doesn't sound like something you want to do). If you work for an international corporation, your Chinese level is not so important, as business is conducted in English. With a top 20 MBA that seems like way to go, unless you really really want to teach English for a while.
If you don't mind me asking, are you a fresh graduate of a top 20 MBA program, or have you had your degree for a while? It seems kind of strange that someone with a top 20 MBA would want to come to China to teach English. I can see a retired guy with an MBA doing this, but not a fresh graduate. |
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lostinasia
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| Can anyone recommend reputable and well paying corporate English trainer/ business english companies/schools in China? (ones that sponsor visas from abroad) Online I could only find Delter and Wall Street Institute. With an MBA from a top 20 school would it be better to try university positions? My chinese is still rough so probably can't work outside of ESL. (which is my eventual goal) Thank you! |
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| Can anyone recommend reputable and well paying corporate English trainer/ business english companies/schools in Brazil? (ones that sponsor visas from abroad) Online I could only find Wall Street Institute. With an MBA from a top 20 school would it be better to try university positions? My Portugese is still rough so probably can't work outside of ESL. (which is my eventual goal) Thank you! |
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| Can anyone recommend reputable and well paying corporate English trainer/ business english companies/schools in Taiwan? (ones that sponsor visas from abroad) Online I could only find Lado and Wall Street Institute. With an MBA from a top 20 school would it be better to try university positions? My chinese is still rough so probably can't work outside of ESL. (which is my eventual goal) Thank you! |
Interesting .... |
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Shan-Shan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| Guess an MBA ain't worth what it used to be.. |
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Worldly
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Worldly
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| If your MBA is from such a reputable facility (top 20 as you say) then why not get a high paying, reputable job in your home country ? |
Let me opine on this topic.
Not everyone with an MBA desires an immediate job in the "corporate rat race." Most USA MBAs take two years to attain (there are exceptions). Most MBA curricula are extremely challenging (mentally and physically), and taking a position that often requires a 50 to 60-hour work week (or more), immediately after graduation, is not appealing to many recent graduates.
Teaching is still considered an honorable profession. I realize the constant abuses printed on this forum would make many conclude the teaching profession in China is completely disreputable. Furthermore, an MBA graduate seeking a teaching position in China may appear to be desperation or pure lunacy.
In defense of the OP, seeking a "quality" international teaching position in a developing nation, for six months to a year, is a viable alternative. It would allow him/her to: (1) rest, (2) reflect on the intense formal education they just survived, and (3) gain cultural competence. IMHO, it would enhance his/her resume.
Most USA companies will not allow newly hired employees to immediately proceed to an international assignment. Most companies want to be assured the employee is productive and meets corporate standards before they are shipped out to a foreign country. Hence, the chances of a recent MBA grad finding an international position with a corporation that provides a fat, expat compensation package are remote.
The OP was careful to request information on "reputable" corporate training and university positions. I don't think it's an unusual, abnormal, or disrespectful request.
For those that feel threatened by an MBA requesting such information, I think you're overreacting. The percentage of MBA grads among the thousands of applicants for reputable positions is undoubtedly miniscule. |
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arioch36
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Lost in Asia
Good pick up ... so what do you think is really going on with this repeat posting?
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mandarinstudent
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| Worldly wrote: |
| Most USA companies will not allow newly hired employees to immediately proceed to an international assignment. Most companies want to be assured the employee is productive and meets corporate standards before they are shipped out to a foreign country. Hence, the chances of a recent MBA grad finding an international position with a corporation that provides a fat, expat compensation package are remote. |
Of course this is the case, but it seems like the OP is just using teaching as a stepping stone into China. From the tone of his post, he doesn't really want to teach. If teaching isn't his goal, then it would make more sense to utilize his time working his way up to "expat" in an international corporation (however long that might take) rather than hopping on a plane to China and hoping for the best. |
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jwbhomer
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Lost in Asia
Good pick up ... so what do you think is really going on with this repeat posting?
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A couple of months ago there was another poster who was asking questions in the Japan and Taiwan forums and a couple of others as well. Someone -- ok, it was me -- called him on it, and he replied to the effect that he didn't know it was a crime to be considering more than one possible destination. I think now that I was properly chastised.  Let's give the OP the benefit of the doubt. |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Corporate English Trainer/ Business English Jobs? |
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| haoleboy wrote: |
| Can anyone recommend reputable and well paying corporate English trainer/ business english companies/schools in China? (ones that sponsor visas from abroad) Online I could only find Delter and Wall Street Institute. With an MBA from a top 20 school would it be better to try university positions? My chinese is still rough so probably can't work outside of ESL. (which is my eventual goal) Thank you! |
I'm sorry but teaching ESL and having a MBA will not make much of a difference, especially without experience.
I have a MBA that meets AACSB accreditation just like all the top tier MBA schools have. It got me an extra 300 RMB a month.
The Wall Street English chain will not pay you any higher than the next guy who does not have a MBA or has a lower tier (not top 20 AACSB certified ) one.
Now, with this all said above, I have done private teaching for 400 RMB + an hour for business classes. (To get these positions you must have a good reputation and experience teaching)
I was offered a position that offered salaries from 5000-10,000 RMB per seminar. Seminars last a few hours usually held on a weekend. It often requires travel, I couldn't accept the position because I was already teaching at a university sometimes during weekends.
These positions often require:
1. Experience in government, or a Fortune 500 company.
2. Success in business
3. Chinese language ability.
4. Some type of teaching experience
5. Guanxi connections
As you can well-see chances of coming directly out of the university expecting to make top-dollar for having a MBA and teaching, is the same as the second derivative of PPI multiplied by zero.
It is very difficult and your best bet is running or doing a start-up, or working for an international company then being sent to China.
PS - My MBA was not useful to help prepare me for my teaching career.
(My M.ed was useful and I feel was a more important factor for getting those higher paid private lessons than my MBA) |
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SnoopBot
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| Worldly wrote: |
| lostinasia wrote: |
| If your MBA is from such a reputable facility (top 20 as you say) then why not get a high paying, reputable job in your home country ? |
Let me opine on this topic.
Not everyone with an MBA desires an immediate job in the "corporate rat race." Most USA MBAs take two years to attain (there are exceptions). Most MBA curricula are extremely challenging (mentally and physically), and taking a position that often requires a 50 to 60-hour work week (or more), immediately after graduation, is not appealing to many recent graduates.
Teaching is still considered an honorable profession. I realize the constant abuses printed on this forum would make many conclude the teaching profession in China is completely disreputable. Furthermore, an MBA graduate seeking a teaching position in China may appear to be desperation or pure lunacy.
In defense of the OP, seeking a "quality" international teaching position in a developing nation, for six months to a year, is a viable alternative. It would allow him/her to: (1) rest, (2) reflect on the intense formal education they just survived, and (3) gain cultural competence. IMHO, it would enhance his/her resume.
Most USA companies will not allow newly hired employees to immediately proceed to an international assignment. Most companies want to be assured the employee is productive and meets corporate standards before they are shipped out to a foreign country. Hence, the chances of a recent MBA grad finding an international position with a corporation that provides a fat, expat compensation package are remote.
The OP was careful to request information on "reputable" corporate training and university positions. I don't think it's an unusual, abnormal, or disrespectful request.
For those that feel threatened by an MBA requesting such information, I think you're overreacting. The percentage of MBA grads among the thousands of applicants for reputable positions is undoubtedly miniscule. |
Good points , I might add that most MBA students that complete a full AACSB certified course will find out it takes longer than 2 years to complete. You can complete your program in 2 years *only if you take courses during the summer sessions. Most take the summer off and end up completing their MBA in 2.5-3 years.
With all of this said MOST now do a dual-MBA program that is specialized to some type of industry. This is almost a requirement now as there was a glut of MBA's with a 2-year generic type.
A dual program, for example MBA w/Law or IM/IS, International studies ect.
2-years of MBA courses with 1-year of speciality. I feel these graduates are in HIGH demand as you mentioned above.
The EMBA groups (usually is a 1-year program that drops many of the fundamental courses) to get into a real good EMBA program you need references and a solid verifiable work history of upper-management positions. I originally tried to get into the EMBA but couldn't qualify because my work experience did not meet the EMBA guidelines. These programs are very competitive with limited space.
I think the OP might be looking at learning Chinese to be more competitive in the global world, this was one of my goals too. If so, I feel he should come to China and study Chinese at some place like BCLU.
For +40 hours a week, you're right and it's more like 60-80 hours a week.
I was putting in 16 hour days and when I saw my fellow MBA's jumping off the 100th floor of the WTC during 9/11. After that, I decided I had enough. That was my turning point for a coporate career. |
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haoleboy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: Thanks for the positive feedback.... |
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I posted in three different countries because I don't want to put all my eggs into one basket.
Yes, finding a job in the U.S. and then getting transfered over is a sure way to go, but it usually takes a year or two of training. Maybe I am little impatient but I would like to go sooner than that.
I was a TEFL teacher in Japan for 2.5 years and I had no problem advising people on this site, so they could avoid problems that I encountered. (Nova!!!)
Having an MBA with work experience should make a huge difference compared to someone teaching business English that doesn't know the difference between an option, derivative, etc. Of course, teaching experience is essential to being a good instructor. That is very helpful information that Wall Street doesn't pay an MBA any differently, I didn't know that. Thank you.
I do appreciate some of the positive remarks and advice. Thank you. |
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Worldly
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Thanks for the positive feedback.... |
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| haoleboy wrote: |
| I posted in three different countries because I don't want to put all my eggs into one basket. |
That's a smart move. Don't be intimidated by some on this forum who tend to be a bit critical for no reason.
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| Having an MBA with work experience should make a huge difference compared to someone teaching business English that doesn't know the difference between an option, derivative, etc. Of course, teaching experience is essential to being a good instructor. That is very helpful information that Wall Street doesn't pay an MBA any differently, I didn't know that. Thank you. |
It's not only Wall Street, but as Snoopbot and others reported in the past, MANY institutions do not respect advanced education, and your pay will not be significantly adjusted. However, there appears to be hope if you arrive, get connections, or otherwise convince locals you are worth more than those with an undergraduate degree, only, and perhaps a TESOL credential. |
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