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ESL in Finland (Helsinki)
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JohnSearle



Joined: 11 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: ESL in Finland (Helsinki) Reply with quote

Hello,

Before I start, I do see the other thread talking of getting work in Scandinavia... but this is a little more specific. I'm a Canadian citizen and I have a Finnish girlfriend. If we can't find an ESL position for her in Asia somewhere, then we're hoping that I might be able to find work in her home while she continues school.

A little about myself: I'm a Canadian; I have university degrees in Computer Studies and Philosophy; I have a ESL certificate from Oxford Seminars (which probably doesn't amount to much); and I do NOT have an EU passport.

I was wondering if anyone has any information about the ESL job market in Helsinki? I know Berlitz is there, but I don't know of any others. Is there work to be found without a passport?

Help is appreciated,

- John
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chiquitita



Joined: 13 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada and Finland have a working holiday agreement if you are young enough? Check out the Finnish embassy in Canada.

You might also want to have a look at http://www.finlandforum.org/bb/index.php if you haven't already.

Good luck. It's a great country!
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poro



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try here, John: http://www.mol.fi/mol/en/index.jsp

... or here: http://www.mol.fi/mol/fi/index.jsp for your girlfriend.

With your qualifications, I'd be optimistic you could find a job.

Getting a work permit might be harder than finding a job.

Good luck from me too!
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the cost of living like there? I'm assuming it's expensive, but how much would you need to make a month to live decently?
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poro



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
What's the cost of living like there? I'm assuming it's expensive, but how much would you need to make a month to live decently?


The trouble with Helsinki is that rents are high, and you can't easily overcome it by living outside the city, because what you save on less expensive accommodation, you lose on transport costs and travel time.

Oh well....... but at least the kids are safe, and will get good schooling and healthcare Shocked
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Theriel



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's difficult to get a work visa here in Finland. Generally speaking, they can get most teachers from within the EU and do not need to go outside. One possibility is to apply for a visa for family reasons, if you get married or have been living together for 2 years. Once you get here though, there are plenty of schools in Helsinki. The pay isn't high, but it's not really high for anyone else in Finland either Razz Rent is between 350-700 or so for a normal single flat, a travel card for inside the city is 80e per month, and food is so expensive you will cringe. You basically can't get a meal other than kebab or pizza for less than about 8e. At about 1200 you'll function but not well, 2000 is enough to do ok. I'm still trying to write my thesis so I'm far below that Smile

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poro



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"a travel card for inside the city is 80e per month, and food is so expensive you will cringe"

C'mon Theriel, it's not that bad - most people don't spend anything like �80 per month for city travel, and food prices are very comparable with most places in western Europe.

But you're quite right that we don't overpay ourselves.

Hey, why not write a thesis on why Finns don't demand much? Cool
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Theriel



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No oikeesti mielest�ni t��ll� on ihan kallista.

Well, the travel card is actually 80e for Vantaa/Espoo, you're right. It's 40e for just Helsinki, so that's a bit better. Food prices.. hrmm actually this one I don't agree with you on. In Germany you can get a good kebab for 2€; in Finland, you can get bad kebab for 4,50 Very Happy Beer at a bar is usually 4€. In a grocery store most things are comparable except for vegetables and fruits, which are often hideously priced, but that's understandable considering they're coming from abroad.

And as for other restaurants than kebab, well.. Finland doesn't really honestly have an eating-out culture. Razz

And wages.. it's all going towards taxes and overhead. Smile Where are you working?

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poro



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theriel wrote:
No oikeesti mielest�ni t��ll� on ihan kallista


Fair enough, if you live in the most expensive part of the country, it can't be cheaper than elsewhere. But on aggregate, prices here do compare favorably with Germany and the UK.

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Food prices.. hrmm actually this one I don't agree with you on. In Germany you can get a good kebab for 2�; in Finland, you can get bad kebab for 4,50 Very Happy Beer at a bar is usually 4�.


Lots of people in Germany sell kebabs, which is why they're cheaper there. The presence of 2 million Turks must make the big difference.

If you're paying �4 for a beer, or �8 for a litre, you're paying easily four times as much as me. You have to drink outside the bars, not inside them Very Happy

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And as for other restaurants than kebab, well.. Finland doesn't really honestly have an eating-out culture. Razz


Ther, you have kebabs on the brain. Why do you think we want those things, when we can have good, home cooking instead?

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And wages.. it's all going towards taxes and overhead. Smile


It isn't true - I can afford a newspaper, you know Very Happy
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hollysuel



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poro wrote:
[quote="Theriel]

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And wages.. it's all going towards taxes and overhead. Smile


It isn't true - I can afford a newspaper, you know Very Happy


But it 'feels' true!

Actually, the normal teacher only pays about 24% tax... (far cry from the 7% I paid in Asia).

It is quite difficult for an EFL teacher to get a full time job here in Finland. Most companies hire teachers freelance between September and May.

These are the two main websites for teaching jobs:

http://www.mol.fi/paikat/ (unfortunately only in Finnish)
http://www.aarresaari.net/english/
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KingEric



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much is alcohol?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingEric wrote:
How much is alcohol?


Well, I can speak on behalf of cider... go out to a bar or club and one pint will cost you at least 5e, buy a small bottle of it in the grocery store and it'll run about 3.60, as far as I remember.

I recommend apple and pear Smile
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poro



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hollysuel wrote:

But it 'feels' true!

Actually, the normal teacher only pays about 24% tax... (far cry from the 7% I paid in Asia).


lol, you must be earning a bit more if you're paying 24%.

Unfortunately, I don't know what public services you get for 7% tax in Asia, and can't compare it with anything I know.

What do they get for 7% - will you tell us?

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These are the two main websites for teaching jobs:

http://www.mol.fi/paikat/ (unfortunately only in Finnish)
http://www.aarresaari.net/english/


I endorse both links, and think there is a "semi-English" version of the first somewhere. You may have to click around a bit, but it's said to be there.
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hollysuel



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poro wrote:
hollysuel wrote:

But it 'feels' true!

Actually, the normal teacher only pays about 24% tax... (far cry from the 7% I paid in Asia).


lol, you must be earning a bit more if you're paying 24%.

Unfortunately, I don't know what public services you get for 7% tax in Asia, and can't compare it with anything I know.

What do they get for 7% - will you tell us?


Really? I didn't think I was earning all that much--in fact I've paid as much as 28% tax... I don't begrudge it at all as I really appreciate the services, such as health care, that I'm getting...

Also, I didn't get any public services in Asia for that 7% I paid!
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poro



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hollysuel wrote:

Really? I didn't think I was earning all that much--in fact I've paid as much as 28% tax... I don't begrudge it at all as I really appreciate the services, such as health care, that I'm getting...

Also, I didn't get any public services in Asia for that 7% I paid!


The tax threshold starts low, but everyone pays tax, even the unemployed and those on welfare - but then it rises...and rises.

If you've paid as much as 28%, it's clear someone appreciates you, and doesn't pay badly Smile
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