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DIPTESOL · Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 42

As you may have seen EF are advertising for DOS positions on TEFL.com. I have recently been offered a position with them in Shanghai and was wondering if anyone could offer advice on the company, experiences you've had etc?
I have 5 years teaching experience and the DELTA, however, to do the job you only need 2 years experience and no DELTA. I wonder if less qualified people are offered the same money as I have been and would this be a good career move?
Also they offer 14000 a month, is that a good wage for Shanghai?
I'd appreciate any views, good or bad..
Thank you.

Mister Al · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 840 Location: In there

SnoopBot · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA

eslstudies · Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden

upchuckles · Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 111

Dude.. Have you seen the contract yet? Post it here so we can have a good laugh.. I saw their Shanghai contract recently and turned the job down.. No thanks..

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

EF DOS is just to fill in the gap of a cr*pper" so that the sh*t doesn't leak Laughing

why would one wanna be a "clown" advertising the biggest money laundrying educational operation Confused

peace to shanghai's silver tower
and
cheers and beers to all EF DOSs in china Smile

Sonnet · Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 235 Location: South of the river

Uh... I'm an EF DoS. In a franchise school though, rather than a company-owned school, which is what the Shanghai position would be.

If you've got any questions about the job, feel free to PM me with them.

And don't mind englishgibson - he's a bitter ex-DoS whose information is so out-of-date that he doesn't even know where the company's head office is any longer...

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

holy cow, have they moved the silver tower Laughing

"company-owned" or "franchised" is still the same sh*t called EF Laughing

however, it's truth that the fine EF franchisor in this lovely city's headless office has taken over its centers there...to set an example to the rest of farce centers around the country..nice marketing strategy alongside the fact that the retired government officials have been sought out to invest in Wink

Sonnet · Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 235 Location: South of the river

Company-owned schools and franchises not being substantially different?

Retired government officials as investors?

Centres moving towards senior teachers rather than DoSes? And Shanghai not being concerned if DoS roles went unfilled?

I... don't know where you get your information from, but it's just plain wrong. You left EF, what, three years ago or so? Do you have any idea how much things have changed since then?

And your repeated allegations of money-laundering are, frankly, libellous.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

"frankly"...ohh please, you're nothing but frank on forums Laughing

retired government workers that've worked for their "official" salaries of a couple or maybe few thousand a month before having saved up 2.5 mil to start up an EF...you surely, "frankly", believe that, don't you Confused

if you don't know that EF centers are owned by former government officials in china, you know so lil
the EF franchisor's marketing teams have approached scores of those kinds of people around china..some've accepted their lovely offers with fine EF franchisee contracts and some have not Wink

if you don't know that EF employers opt for senior teachers rather than DoSs lately, you know so lil Wink

DIPTESOL · Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 42

Wow! Some really mixed views here.
I am still very undecided on the position especially as I have been offered two other jobs now with other companies. Having worked for IH I know how hit and miss it can be working for a franchise.
Thanks for a ll the comments so far, I'll let you know my final decision and whether I decide to go!

Sonnet · Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 235 Location: South of the river

Alright...clearly, I know nothing about EF in China. Doesn't matter that I currently work for them, that I have done for years, that I know scores of people in important places in other schools, that I attend the conferences and that, basically, I'm inside the system.

You clearly know more. You've not worked for EF for years, you can throw around the name of the (ex-) headquarters building, you can talk about (discontinued) products, and even namecheck a string of (ex-) AOM's and presidents. And you have a seemingly endless supply of completely groundless allegations to throw around. How could I ever compete?

Why exactly should I tell you or anyone else here about my centre, or about current EF products? Do you share every detail about your employer in an online forum?
I know everything I need to. Likewise, my teachers get the full range of information on our products and practises, as do candidates for teaching positions. Does anyone else need to know? What would be the point in me spending forever typing up all of this stuff, only for you to reply with some "hilarious" emoticons and unsubstanciated nudge-nudge-wink-wink sloganeering?

eslstudies · Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden

DIPTESOL · Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 42

Housing is not included with this particular school apparently.
The workload is 40 hours per week.
Is it worth it?

simrishamn · Joined: 13 Oct 2007 Posts: 30

Hello, I was recently (this week) offered the DOS position in Dalian but turned it down. The school offered me the basic EF package: 9000 rmb plus 1200 in housing allowance a month.

However, I was not allowed to communicate with their current DOS because the center manager had not informed him that they would replace him. When I pointed this out - EF Shanghai - they asked me to understand how sensitive the current situation is�