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soapdodger

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squindia

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 38 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: |
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wow.
just out of curiosity, soapdodger do you think there is a high instance of craziness in our profession as opposed to other work? I seem to hear this a lot lately and am wondering if its a commonly held belief about EFL teachers.
this article reminded me of the astronaut in the US that drove from Florida to Texas wearing diapers (so she wouldn't have to stop) in order to confront her love rival. |
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soapdodger

Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 203
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: |
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After over 20 years in this game, take my word for it that it is seething with, shall we be polite?, misfits. Not all of course, but a surprising number of practitioners range from mildly disturbed to barking. Worse than any other job? ( Notice I didn't say profession, professions by and large filter out the walking wounded by their very nature) Possibly not, as the general standard of mental health in the developed world is alarming. If I ever have enough money to return to higher education, I think I would quite like to study psychiatry....I've done the fieldwork already! |
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asgerd

Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 33
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Wow is right. It's like the result of a (not very good) exercise that went like this....
Write a story involving the following random elements:
a Chinese student in Italy
a broken foot
an underground parking garage
hypnotherapy
a stun gun
Margate |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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soapdodger wrote: |
After over 20 years in this game, take my word for it that it is seething with, shall we be polite?, misfits. |
Oh yeah, seconded.
While I've met some great co-workers, a significant percentage of the TEFLers I've have worked with have been, as you say, misfits. Some have just been what I would call eccentric or colourful, but others really needed to be put in a straitjacket and locked into a rubber room!  |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno. I think there's a relatively high percentage of nutcases in every population...
Maybe they're better-tolerated (and therefore - encouraged to become even more extreme? ) in our field.
There are people on the board who feel strongly that 'interesting characters' make the best teachers. I don't necessarily agree, but there's probably some support for craziness within some kind of acceptable range. |
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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Posts: 1022 Location: Northern Italy
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Another team member here - about 150k west of the Kentishman (or is it man of Kent)?
I think you can probably get away with different behaviour abroad; it's just ascribed to you being foreign, and not to the fact that, by any countries' standard, you are barking. So, as a result of last Saturday's encounter with my only English (and non-teaching) friends the local bar perhaps thinks dancing on tables is a common occurence in 't' north in England. As I'm a shy southerner I only danced on the chair.... The local mountain people drink just as much, but are perhaps less demonstrative.
Perhaps we should have a league table of countries for unstable behaviour. Although I'm quite competitive I still think China, Thailand and the Magic Kingdom are way ahead of Italy in the barking mad stakes: more rabid I'd say. |
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jonniboy
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 751 Location: Panama City, Panama
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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The reason's a simple and obvious one. Most other professions are static and so anyone who's a looper will end up known as such and thus unemployable in their home town. In TEFL they can easily up sticks and find the next bunch of victims in a new town with a completely clean slate. |
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soapdodger

Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 203
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Yes Jonniboy, I agree. Combine the fact SueH mentioned about foreigners ascribing warning signs to cultural difference and most "schools" being run by people who are themselves on or over the edge, or so concerned with profit that whether their staff are a potential danger doesn't concern them, and you have the core answer to why EFL has more fruitcakes than a Danish Pastry shop. The general lax standards also insure it is a great bolthole for people on the run from crime and other murky things. |
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phantombedwetter
Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 154 Location: Pikey infested, euro, cess-pit (Krakow)
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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What gets me, is why schools employ these cretins?
I have a procession of criminals and retards stumbling into my school on a regular basis usually stinking like a white board marker because they have been on the p*ss all night.
However, some schools offer them work, incredible!
My favourite was some buffoon who offered to "Do me a favour by doing some hours for me".
At the same time he looked like he got his clothes out of a dustbin, had never heard of a razor, was shaking like my granddad when he had Parkinson's and no qualifications.
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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o why EFL has more fruitcakes than a Danish Pastry shop |
I wasn't aware Danish Pastry shops sold fruitcakes. Perhaps the one you patronize is run by an ex-TEFL teacher.
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perhaps thinks dancing on tables is a common occurence in 't' north in England |
It is, though doing it without falling off isn't. |
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soapdodger

Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 203
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Hello Stephen! Good point, but the comparison still works. Perhaps to highlight the extent of the problem I should have said " more fruitcakes than Harrods at Christmastime...". Incidentally, I don't patronise a Danish pastry shop, the only things I patronise are non-native teachers of English ( heh,heh,heh!), and, interestingly, they are mostly Cadbury's Fruit and Nut too!!! |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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There no other 'profession' quite like TEFL that allows you the time, space and stunning international locations in which to 'lose the plot'. The profession does attract more than its fair share of nut-jobs but also those that are on the edge seek out where to fall off.
A colleague once said that everyone in TEFL was running from something, someone or perhaps just themselves. Which are you? |
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soapdodger

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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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None of the above. Somewhere. Britain has always been a bit of a dump and by mid-Thatcher regime it was definitely a place to leave. I think inquiring minds quickly tire of what's on offer at home and for some EFL is a fairly convenient way to see more. So, they say, are the forces. I knew someone who fell for the Royal Navy's slogan Join The Navy, See The World. He ended up spending 3 years in a nuclear submarine under the polar icecap! Maybe EFL isn't that bad after all! |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Notice I didn't say profession, professions by and large filter out the walking wounded by their very nature |
I think that ESL is a profession, but like some other professions, the career tracks for professional developement and upward movement are limited. Academic professions are similar; the best teachers are not always made into admin types (nor may they be the best suited to doing such work). |
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