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The Royal Cavalry and Sultan Qaboos�s Horses!!

 
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007



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: The Royal Cavalry and Sultan Qaboos�s Horses!! Reply with quote

While surfing on the net I found this website about the treatment of horses in the Oman Royal Cavalry!!

http://www.beinoman.com/2007/09/omans-royal-cavalry.html

Are horses really ill-treated and suffering in his majesty�s Sultanate?
Anybody confirm or deny the above?

Thanks God that my horse, ANTAR, is living with prosperity under my protection, and is registered with UK animal society. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Middle East has never been known for treating their animals particularly well. All of the countries seem full of feral cats and dogs (unless they have been shooting or poisoning them lately to get the population down). Look at the donkeys and horses of Cairo or Petra in Jordan - where the only care is provided by Western charities like the Brooks organization.

As always, the few purebreds on the stud farms and the winners of the horse races are well-cared for. All the rest of the horses are at the whim of their owners with no governmental oversight at all. There have just been a raft of stories out of Kuwait about the numbers of race horses killed or allowed to die and rot unburied each racing season.

Only Europe and North America seem to have laws governing this so that when people are found mistreating animals - and they are found all the time - at least they get fined or jailed and the animals are removed from their 'care.'

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its interesting that the site referrered to by "Bling" has been blocked by Omantel!! Surprised Surprised

Duffy Confused Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is talk in UAE (at least in Dubai) about laws being enacted to protect animal welfare. Of course a law is only as useful if it is enforced and look at the traffic violations one encounters on ones daily commute in the emirates Shocked

However, they're working on that so maybe, eventually, the animal protection laws will be enforced too - but not in my lifetime probably.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject: Humane society??? Reply with quote

How a people treat their animals is an indication of their mentality. Humane societies generally treat their animals well, with laws and enforcement of these laws. I'll leave it up to the reader to draw the right conclusion
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 - unfortunately what the man Dale has said is 100% true (ignore the personal attacks and stay with the state of the horses). I have been to the royal stables on more than one occasion and have been horrified by what i saw. I also took a friend of mine (Duffy - you know who i mean!) and she was equally horrified. At the khareef festival they have horses on display with a 'carer' and yet many locals abuse these poor animals in front of the 'carer' and he does nothing. When i was there and witnessed it, i did step in and try and stop the abuse - i got a torrent of bad language and gestures thrown back at me. The abuse to the animals i have witnessed has included: open, septic weeping sores and cuts on their legs (Salalah Royal Cavalary), repeatedly being punched on the neck, having their manes and tails pulled, having rocks thrown at them, having stones and other things put up their noses and so on (Khareef festival).

However, as is normal in Oman, nothing will happen until the problem and abuse is recognised. Like most problems in Oman that will not happen for years and years unless we have more Dale Blackstocks who are willing to publish the situation and try and get international reaction.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Humane society??? Reply with quote

steppy-boy wrote:
How a people treat their animals is an indication of their mentality. Humane societies generally treat their animals well, with laws and enforcement of these laws. I'll leave it up to the reader to draw the right conclusion

Everyone looks at a situation like this through the eyes of their own culture - which, of course, we always consider to be superior... more intelligent... etc.... The fact is that we North Americans and Europeans are a minority of the world. The majority of the world think we have an odd fetish that is inexplicable.

Animals did not receive the treatment they get in our culture for a very long time. "Humane Societies" are a modern invention. And it only happened once we had become wealthy, comfortable, and turned them into pets.

Most cultures consider them food or tools and consider our attitude decadent or silly or sick. This doesn't justify the treatment, it merely explains it. Just as with the use of child jockeys, which has taken the last 20 years of bad publicity to change, the fact that this is becoming public will hopefully start the publics in Oman and Kuwait looking at the situation and changing it from within.

It will progress much faster if the members of our supposedly superior system don't use it as another reason to b itch about and vilify the local culture.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

helenl wrote:
There is talk in UAE (at least in Dubai) about laws being enacted to protect animal welfare. Of course a law is only as useful if it is enforced and look at the traffic violations one encounters on ones daily commute in the emirates Shocked

I doubt it if UAE, especially the emirate of Dubai, is going to respect and protect animal welfare! Before they do that, they should first respect the dignity and right of poor children who are bought in subcontinent of India and Pakistan and forced to work as jockey slaves for camel and horse racing games!

Do you know that the richest horse race in the world is in Dubai!
And there are special animal hospitals in UAE and LONDON belonging to his majesty Sheikh X for the racing camels where no expense is spared.
So a camel or a horse jockey is nothing more than counter-balance. If he gets hurt or killed it is easy, with the oil money, to buy another 10 camel jockey slaves from India or Pakistan.

VS wrote:
Animals did not receive the treatment they get in our culture for a very long time. "Humane Societies" are a modern invention. And it only happened once we had become wealthy, comfortable, and turned them into pets.

People should learn from history.
And one example from history which we should learn from, is the chimney sweeps in Victorian Britain:
"The children would be sent up into a chimney to clean the soot from the chimney walls with their hands or with scrapers. It was normal for the children to become scared and reluctant to climb"
http://camelraces.com/chimney.html

I think it is a matter of time until things will get better in the Gulf, but it is a long long time before it will happen. Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I am aware the richest horse race in the world is in Dubai.

The Emirati government has started to take steps to (a) ban child camel jockeys and (b) return those already in country back to their families if possible. Tragically, a lot of these children can't even remember their family's name as they were so young when their families sold them into this slavery. Those who can't "go home" are being transferred to orphanages, often run by their home countries' charitable organizations. To date there has been no word of charging the "owners" of these children with slavery or human trafficking.

These steps have been taken because of bad international press.

The changes mentioned (long overdue - and in a culture that values children highly, should never have occurred) happened as a result of the bad publicity and a campaign by one of the United Nation's organizations (can't remember if it was UNICEF or another branch) to stop this practice.

I merely pointed out that they are starting to at least make some sort of effort in the area of animal welfare but also reckoned that no substantive changes will take place in my lifetime - but change has to start somewhere, even if in the beginning it's lip service only.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it so much easier to change a topic than face the problem it raises.

VS - no one is talking about anyone being superior or not. What is being talked about is the blatant and obvious cruelty being inflicted on animals in a country that sells an image of itself as being caring and kind - try telling that to the horses. What was being raised was if the Sultan knows about this or not? If he does (as it would seem) why has he not done anything about it? How would all the international friends of the Sultan and tour companies that are being lured here feel if they saw the reality behind the image?
As for camwel jockeys (NOT the original topic here) in Oman they changed to mechanical jockeys years ago. The only exceptions are in some cases in Dhofar where camel jockeys are the sons or nephews of the camel owners - it is their choice to race. They have never had foreign jockeys in Dhofar or (so i believe) in Oman.

It would be nice if for a change instead of changing topics or putting out a false image about things, people either faced and discussed the truth - or just didn't get invloved in the discussions unless they have anything relevant to say. This topic was staying on course until someone started to rant on about people claiming superiority (where???) etc - the topic was the state of the Sultans horses, and who knows or does not know about it.
Let's stay on topic, stop slating off other nationalities for no reason and with no relevance to the topic or just lock the thread.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As usual, Alik mis-reads and mis-interprets and preaches. The truth has been faced and quite intelligently discussed above. There are no "false images." Now if you are so worried personally about the horses and are in Oman, I suggest that you go and do something about changing it. Discuss it with your students, call the international humane society about starting a local chapter, call the palace, call the newspapers...

An ESL board is probably not the place.

And no, Oman has normally not used child jockeys unless it was the kids of the owner. The camel races that I saw in Oman had adult jockeys.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
And no, Oman has normally not used child jockeys unless it was the kids of the owner. The camel races that I saw in Oman had adult jockeys.

The picture below shows child jockeys get ready to race in Muscat!!




Evidence of child camel jockeys beyond the UAE:
�A picture of a camel race in Oman, printed in the 26 November 2004 issue of The Guardian, clearly shows the use of underage camel jockeys (copy available). �
"In 2003 and again in 2005 the ILO Committee of Experts report expressed concern at the situation of children under 18 years of age involved in camel racing in Oman and asks for information regarding the recent promulgation of by-laws prohibiting forced labour and the worst forms of child labour. �
http://www.antislavery.org/archive/submission/submission2005-cameljockeys.htm
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