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maccamlc



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Location: Adelaide, Australia

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:42 pm    Post subject: 2nd Career? Reply with quote

I am 25, have a 4 year Honours degree in Software Engineering, and have worked in this industry for 2.5 years at 2 well known companies.

However next year I am going to leave Australia, to travel, study CELTA and hopefully find work in Russia or CIS as a teacher.

I want to be away for 1 or preferrably 2 years. I will take it seriously, and have travelled to this part of the world before, so I have an idea of what I'm getting myself into Smile

However my question is directed towards anybody who has a 1st career in an industry such as Software Development, where it changes all the time.

Recently, people have been placing doubts in my head, about it being impossible to get back into Software after even a 6 month break.

Should I really be concerned about this? Any previous experiences or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Smile
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hiya,

Like you, I too am Australian and I had a satisfying career in Multimedia Development. I originally became a EFL teacher while my Spanish was getting good enough for me to get a Multimedia job in Mexico. Only things didn't quite turn out that way and 4 years later I'm now doing the DELTA.

Last year I went through a homesick patch and started studying to upgrade my skills in all the latest versions of relevant software. It was pretty easy actually, and all the basics were still in my memory, I just had to upgrade my software skills. I talked to a few industry people about my abscence from the scene, and no-one was particularly concerned about my employability.

However, after a few months of studying I realised what I was looking at going back to, and what I would be giving up, and now I have no doubts that I'm on the right path with where I'm going in EFL.

So, my point is, yes, you should be fine, you'll probably just need some upgrading when you get back, but you might find that being away leads you somewhere else a whole lot more interesting! There are also lots of ways you can use your IT skills in EFL, or in IT training if that's what floats your boat.

Good luck!
Lozwich.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer's simple: you get jobs when there are vacancies, and you don't when there aren't.

If there is a shortage of somebody with your skills in two years they'll hire you. If there isn't they'll bin the resume without a second thought.
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maccamlc



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks,

I probably should expect to require updating my skills when I get back, no matter how short or long I am gone.

But I do hope to see where this leads, who knows, as you say maybe I will find something more exciting Smile
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a bad idea to try to keep your skills up to date, but probably even more important to maintain your network of contacts in the industry.

I don't know that I ever planned to stay overseas forever, but it turned out that I loved the career and stayed at it until quite recently (now semi-retired).

For about the first ten years or so of being overseas, I was quite careful about maintaining regular contact with people I knew could/would help me get back into the workforce if I were to return. I returned "home" every year and made sure to at least have lunch and a few beers with all of them and to exchange holiday cards, email (when that began to work better), etc.

More often as not it's WHO you know, not what you know that is going to land you a job - even in specialized areas - as long as you don't let your skills get too far behind the power curve.

I probably would have difficulty now getting back into my old profession (18-19 years later) - but I intend to stay overseas permanently.
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maccamlc



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that 2 years should not be too bad! At the moment my plan is that I will return. But my problem is that as I have been working for about 2.5 years, I don't have any strong contacts who could get me a job on return! So I would be back up against the fresh graduates. I would hope that this experience would not count against me, but rather as a positive!

I guess this is a problem for the future. In the meantime, I'll just have to make sure that whatever I do, I keep my skills up to date.

Thanks for the replies.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maccamlc wrote:
I'll just have to make sure that whatever I do, I keep my skills up to date.


True for any profession, at home or abroad. [edit: especially if we plan on spending time away from it].


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maccamlc



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tedkarma wrote:
maccamlc wrote:
I'll just have to make sure that whatever I do, I keep my skills up to date.


True for any profession, at home or abroad.


True!

But I am wondering a lot, whether this experience would count positively or negatively on future employers.

I still believe that this is the best time for me to do it! If I do what other colleagues and family suggest and wait .... I will never go until I retire Sad It might not look the best on my resume, that I lasted only 2.5 years in IT before this decision to take a break and teach! But I guess there will be time to build my career again, whereas I don't know when I would get the chance to experience this adventure again Smile
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maccamlc wrote:
But I am wondering a lot, whether this experience would count positively or negatively on future employers.


My guess is that it will not be viewed positively unless you find a very progressive employer. It need not be viewed negatively either - perhaps dabble a bit in IT wherever you go and try to get an awareness of systems and problems there. Hope for a neutral view of it. After your first job on return though - probably no real impact (still guessing!).

You WILL, btw, probably be an excellent teacher. As a former teacher-trainer many of my best students - and many great teachers - were former IT people. Why? The methodical thinking and step-by-step processes of building a good lesson and IT work require similar approaches. One of the best teacher trainers I ever worked with - was a former IT person.

You might also be amazed at how many disenfranchised IT people are out there teaching right now (not suggesting that you are though).
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maccamlc



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my friends is studying CELTA this month. I seem to have the thinking and planning aspect worked out, based on the the examples I have received from her. But in terms of the actual teaching .... I will find out soon.

Thanks for the advice and encouragement Smile
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comenius



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to chime in I agree with a number of other posters that it really pays to keep in contact with the people in your field as much if not more than keeping your skills current. Even if you never go back to software development, keeping your options open is never a bad course of action.

Personally, in my own career I went from a technology job to active ESL teaching for 5 years back to a technology job without any issues whatsoever. Of course I kept my skills reasonably current, but the bottom line for any employer is do you present an attractive package compared to the others applying for the position. In my case, I was able to spin my international teaching experience in a positive light by stressing the team (successfully worked with people from a variety of cultures and backgrounds) and leadership (successfully pursued challenging new work and living assignments in completely unfamiliar surroundings) elements, among others.

As with most things in life, if you choose to do it you'll figure out a way to make it work. Very Happy
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Red and white



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different industry, different opportunities, but it might be possible to do some IT work while you are away.

I'm a journalist from my 'past life', and have a regular column in an expat magazine here in Baku. Should I choose to return to my previous career I can point to that as evidence of initiative and an ability to get stories in extreme circumstances (no contacts, little background knowledge, poor grasp of local languages).

Of course, if anyone actually _reads_ the column I'm in trouble: the mag is anglo-russian, and mistranslated a recent headline as 'Elton John leads up in Baku'. They started in Russian with 'Elton John zazhigaet v Baku', and if they'd got the verb right would probably have finished with 'Elton John lights up in Baku'. At least that would have made sense while being wrong ....

I'd also echo comenius' comments about spinning your overseas work experience. My 'journalist' CV is a joy to behold these days. Laughing
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Serious_Fun



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lozwich wrote:
There are also lots of ways you can use your IT skills in EFL, or in IT training if that's what floats your boat


exactly Cool use the tools in your teacher's toolkit!
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comenius



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lozwich wrote:
There are also lots of ways you can use your IT skills in EFL, or in IT training if that's what floats your boat


That's also totally true. I can't tell you how many times I was asked to do computer stuff while teaching once a school found out I knew the difference between a mouse and a keyboard. Laughing
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

comenius wrote:
lozwich wrote:
There are also lots of ways you can use your IT skills in EFL, or in IT training if that's what floats your boat


That's also totally true. I can't tell you how many times I was asked to do computer stuff while teaching once a school found out I knew the difference between a mouse and a keyboard. Laughing


Since we are on that point - probably one good way to keep up to date and make some money would be to look specifically for English teaching jobs in technical colleges. You would already know any and all specialized vocabulary, you would know what things would most interest your students, and you would probably quite easily gain their respect with your knowledge of what they are studying. And, while at the school, you might well be able to keep up with your area of expertise.

At one time I did a lot of Business English training with international business executives. When I first started TEFL - I had just come off a job managing a textile manufacturing company in Botswana - and had a pretty good understanding of international trade issues and the problems they had with their businesses. It worked out great! AND - kept me quite interested too.
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