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jwbhomer · Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 876 Location: CANADA

In the last paragraph mention is made of setting up a database by the end of the year. I'm surprised there is no such database already, since the information is certainly being collected by schools, hotels, banks and so on.

johnchina · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 816

I can't resist being pedantic here ...

"The employment of foreigners without permits will be illegal".

Will? I thought it already was?

I can't help thinking that this is just another publicity stunt - "Hey, Chinese citizens, we really are doing something about this massive problem facing our society!"

As jwbhomer says, the surprising fact is that there is no such database already. Are those computers at PSB offices just for playing online computer games? Oh, er ... actually ...

william wallace · Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2869 Location: in between

malu · Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 1344 Location: Sunny Java

I think the '..employers will be charged fees...' bit sums up what this is really about. A means of extracting dosh for local oficials.

AussieGuyInChina · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 403

ispeakgoodenglish · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:55 am Post subject:

I know of 2 bars that have a few filipino staff, I am guessing this law is aimed mostly at them. I couldn't see the govt clamping down on FT or professional workers but in some lower service jobs it is most probable...

Do any govt departments actually share information here?

Ahchoo · Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 606 Location: Earth

I'm guessing it's the kinder gentler approach to the scamming drug dealing Africans. (as opposed to the Beijing baton approach).

Sinobear · Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269 Location: Purgatory

Actually, it is merely the application of the basic rules which have always been in place: a foreign expert is someone who fulfills a need which the Chinese cannot themselves fulfill. If the job can be filled by a Chinese native, then it must be filled by a Chinese native (hell, look at all the university students who cannot get a job...any job - experience and work ethics aside).
Do we need foreign DJs and bar staff? Not really.
Foreign owned/operated enterprises are encouraged (with the USD investment pegged at a minimum of 2,000,000 USD). Most of the foreigners here (in GZ) are small business owners and fall way short of the minimum.

So, to clean up the competition for much needed jobs, who's to cry over the rejection of visas/FRPs for non-qualified foreigners who do not meet the minimum requirements for legal residence?

Cheers!

jammish · Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1704

SnoopBot · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA

In Beijing they were having problems with Africans selling drugs near campuses and along the bar districts where tourist go.

If you walk along these areas as a foreigner you will get various offers of different types of drugs.

Others are illegal money changers and as others mentioned Hip-Hop DJ's.

They had a problem with illegal domestic helpers in South China but this seems to be not a serious problem in Beijing.

The dope dealers and other scammers are a problem.

I do know a few businesses operated in China by Nigerian fraudsters were closed down in 2006. They cheated thousands with fake company fronts.

Some of these businesses were pretending to be buyers or sellers and posting on Internet web boards as licensed importers/exporters.

Bethverde · Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 7

Well, my boyfriend and I saw this piece of news in the China Daily paper and looked at it and figured it would just be something that the school would need to deal with, if ever.

HOWEVER, last night at 9 p.m. EIGHT people (four uniformed police officers, some of our apartment building management and other people with clipboards and official-looking badges) came and knocked on our door insistently and rang the doorbell non-stop until we opened (we usually don't unless we know someone's coming).

They wanted to see our passports, know how long we've been here, what we're doing. We have been working here for a little over a year, and our paperwork is mostly legal in that wonderful Chinese way...one of us has a Z permit and FEC, the other has an F visa which the school for some reason refuses to change....so we stalled on showing them our documents and had them call some people from our school to talk to them.

The police gave us some forms to fill out because we're not registered here (even though the school told us A YEAR AGO that we were registered) and told us to bring them tomorrow to the police station and also that we needed to register with the building management...

Today, the school tells us some b.s. about how the cops are personally visiting EVERY home in our town (small community outside of GZ) and not honing in on foreigners, especially and that we don't really need to register, blah blah blah. Our town has about 5 million people, so I don't see the police personally checking every door. I think that was a face-saver and I don't buy it. Also, about a month ago we received a pink flyer from our building administration, translated in English, asking the foreigners to register. We showed the school and they said not to worry, they'd take care of it. AGAIN. They obviously didn't so today we went in and raised a fuss with the school, for as much as that will be worth to us.

We insisted on registering and are now trying to get that taken care of but are pretty shaken by the whole middle-of-the-night raid business and wondering if anyone else is having the same problem, or if anyone else has gone through this in the past and has some advice for us!

Thanks.

tw · Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

They can fine you or the school up to 5,000 RMB for not registering. Even government schools have to pay fines for this. Mine had to over me so I do know the law on this.

SnoopBot · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA

Humm, so it looks like my http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=56237

Was not a fluke incident after-all.