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Has anyone taught Saudi University Orientation programs?
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ghost



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Has anyone taught Saudi University Orientation programs? Reply with quote

Folks:

Has anyone taught Saudi University 'Orientation Programs' and what was your experience like?

Thank you.

Ghost in Korea
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think almost everyone here has taught in at least one such programme, because that's the environment in which most EFL teachers in KSA work.

You'll need to ask more specific questions if you want meaningful replies.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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I think almost everyone here has taught in at least one such programme, because that's the environment in which most EFL teachers in KSA work.

You'll need to ask more specific questions if you want meaningful replies
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1. What is the general level of the students who take Orientation programs? I am assuming they are freshmen.

2. What materials are normally used? Do you use commercial programs like 'New Interchange' or 'Headway' (so common in Latin America), or do Saudi Unis. use their own materials?

3. Generally, how would you compare Saudi students with students from Asian countries - Taiwan, Korea, China, Japan?

I would imagine that Saudi and students from the region, would be more talkative and with better communicative ability compared with Asian students, but your input would be good to hear.

Thank you.

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Tom Le Seelleur



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghost
I taught at KFUPM for two years. It has an orientation program. When I was there the materials were in house - strictly censored and heavily content related. The students were not Freshmen as an orintation or foundation program is a bridghe between secondary/high school and freshmen/undergraduate.

Many of Saudi students could speak quite well, others not al all.

Headway Plus might be acceptable to Saudi Schools now that it is more culturally sensitive but I doubt it would be their first choice - Garnet press have made a lot of inroads. Headway Academic Skills is a more likely candidate.

Saudi students between 2000-2002 had next to nil study skills or idea of independent learning. At the university there was no ILC or study hall within the centre - this is old information, hopefully someone from the ELC can update you on this.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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Ghost
I taught at KFUPM for two years. It has an orientation program. When I was there the materials were in house - strictly censored and heavily content related. The students were not Freshmen as an orintation or foundation program is a bridghe between secondary/high school and freshmen/undergraduate.

Many of Saudi students could speak quite well, others not al all.

Headway Plus might be acceptable to Saudi Schools now that it is more culturally sensitive but I doubt it would be their first choice - Garnet press have made a lot of inroads. Headway Academic Skills is a more likely candidate.

Saudi students between 2000-2002 had next to nil study skills or idea of independent learning. At the university there was no ILC or study hall within the centre - this is old information, hopefully someone from the ELC can update you on this.
Tom


When you say Saudi students, are you referring to KFUPM? I thought KFUPM was one of the top 3 most challenging Unis. to get into in Saudi, with only the top 5% of students being admitted?

Do you have any suggestions on how I might prepare myself for the orientation program in the coming months, before September 2008?

What types of things motivate the students, and is there any scope for developing materials, provided those materials respect cultural norms in place?

Perhaps it might be better until I arrive. In Korea, I had to prepare the course, months ahead of time. I was training teachers. And we used the University of Wisconsin modules, which many Korean teacher trainees found boring. But that is another story.

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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Term for the students starts at the beginning of October but staff start September 6th, so you'll have plenty of time. Things regarding materials are in a state of flux at the moment.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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Term for the students starts at the beginning of October but staff start September 6th, so you'll have plenty of time. Things regarding materials are in a state of flux at the moment
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I thought the veterans had the chance to come back in October.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

6 September is the reporting date.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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6 September is the reporting date.


I am looking forward to the change and challenge of going to Saudi, from Korea.

I know it will be very different from Korea, but will go to Saudi with an open mind, and it will be very interesting.

Anyone else making the move from Asia to Saudi?

Ghost in Korea

I intend to keep up my studies of Korean, Japanese (hiragana/katakana only) and Mandarin on the side. If anyone else is interested in getting together for study groups for those languages, please send a p.m. I have books and cd's available, for levels 1 + 2. Al Khobar/Dharan areas. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought the veterans had the chance to come back in October.
So did we
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghost,

Boo.

Anyunghaseyo. Ni Hao. What's your lingual poison? I too lived in Korea and now I've been in Taiwan. I've also did my CELTA in Spain and lived in Africa for a year somewhere in the middle.

I am making the move to Hail, 6 hours North of Riyadh this fall. For myself, I've lost interest in learning Chinese. I have low proficiency and am not willing to invest any more time. Of course, life is just not that simple. I am completing my online MA and am half way done. I am a very busy trunkshow and have no time to take any more Chinese lessons.

I want to improve my Spanish actually. I studied Espanol in University and I find it more appealing. I suppose it helps that I find latinos attractive. Wink

My Chinese will slide and in a few years I'll barely know how to tell a Laoban of a noodle shop that I would like my vegetables without oil or my the gas delivery man to hookup the canister in the rear balcony.

Good on you for keeping it up. I'm unaware of the ins and outs of learning Arabic but its next up at bat. Spanish will have to wait for the summers I hope to spend in Latin America with my TWO MONTHS OFF!!! I'm over the mooooooooooon!!!!! 60 DAYS!!!

Boo.

Regards,
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: que tal Reply with quote

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Good on you for keeping it up. I'm unaware of the ins and outs of learning Arabic but its next up at bat. Spanish will have to wait for the summers I hope to spend in Latin America with my TWO MONTHS OFF!!! I'm over the mooooooooooon!!!!! 60 DAYS!!!

Boo.


Yo tambien estudie el idioma de Cervantes. Trabaje un ano en Guatemala (1995-96), y tambien trabaje en Republica Dominicana en el ano 2004.

Pienso que hablar Mandarin no es tan dificil, pero aprender los caracteres Chinos necesita mucho, mucho tiempo, pero para las personas que no tienen tiempo para aprender los caracteres, hay siempre el 'Pinyin'

Tenemos intereses muy semejantes y vamos a continuar charlar por p.m.

Esta usted de acuerdo?

Hasta la proxima.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: que tal Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
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Good on you for keeping it up. I'm unaware of the ins and outs of learning Arabic but its next up at bat. Spanish will have to wait for the summers I hope to spend in Latin America with my TWO MONTHS OFF!!! I'm over the mooooooooooon!!!!! 60 DAYS!!!

Boo.


Yo tambien estudie el idioma de Cervantes. Trabaje un ano en Guatemala (1995-96), y tambien trabaje en Republica Dominicana en el ano 2004.

Pienso que hablar Mandarin no es tan dificil, pero aprender los caracteres Chinos necesita mucho, mucho tiempo, pero para las personas que no tienen tiempo para aprender los caracteres, hay siempre el 'Pinyin'

Tenemos intereses muy semejantes y vamos a continuar charlar por p.m.

Esta usted de acuerdo?

Hasta la proxima.

Ghost in Korea


Mucho Nachos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NCTBA
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bright students with a good beginning in Basic Engliah. Typically good at understanding Spoken English and quick to learn more.Not so good at Reading or Writing. Many need a LOT of work on improving their skills. They are not often self-starters but need the teacher to lead them. Lively but polite.

Many have never used a dictionary and need to develop basic reference and study skills. Don't expect them to bring a pen and notebook !
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: que tal Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
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Good on you for keeping it up. I'm unaware of the ins and outs of learning Arabic but its next up at bat. Spanish will have to wait for the summers I hope to spend in Latin America with my TWO MONTHS OFF!!! I'm over the mooooooooooon!!!!! 60 DAYS!!!

Boo.


Yo tambien estudie el idioma de Cervantes. Trabaje un ano en Guatemala (1995-96), y tambien trabaje en Republica Dominicana en el ano 2004.

Pienso que hablar Mandarin no es tan dificil, pero aprender los caracteres Chinos necesita mucho, mucho tiempo, pero para las personas que no tienen tiempo para aprender los caracteres, hay siempre el 'Pinyin'

Tenemos intereses muy semejantes y vamos a continuar charlar por p.m.

Esta usted de acuerdo?

Hasta la proxima.

Ghost in Korea


Ghost
You seem to be claiming to have worked an anus in Guatemala for a year. This is your business and a lot of it goes on in TEFL but please, if you must post in a language other than English, remember the accents and tildes.
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