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[Vince]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21877284/

Japan fleet sets off to hunt humpbacks
Activists vow to disrupt first hunt for protected whales in decades
The Associated Press
updated 4:33 a.m. ET, Mon., Nov. 19, 2007
SHIMONOSEKI, Japan - A Japanese whaling fleet sailing toward waters off Antarctica to kill protected humpback whales was itself the target of a hunt Monday by environmental activists who vowed to disrupt the expedition.

Greenpeace said its protest ship Esperanza was searching for the fleet south of Japanese territorial waters and would shadow the ships to the South Pacific to try to reduce their catch.

�It�s a large ocean, but we�re going to track them down,� expedition member Dave Walsh told The Associated Press by telephone Monday.

The Japanese fleet was embarking on the country�s largest whaling expedition, targeting protected humpbacks for the first time since the 1960s. In a farewell ceremony Sunday for the four-ship expedition, officials told a crowd at the southern Japanese port of Shimonoseki that Japan should preserve its whale-eating culture.

�They�re violent environmental terrorists,� mission leader Hajime Ishikawa said. �Their violence is unforgivable ... We must fight against their hypocrisy and lies.�

Families waved little flags emblazoned with smiling whales and the crew raised a toast with cans of beer, while a brass band played �Popeye the Sailor Man.�

The whalers plan to kill up to 50 humpbacks in what is believed to be the first large-scale hunt for the once nearly extinct species since a 1963 moratorium in the Southern Pacific put the giant marine mammals under international protection.

The mission also aims to take as many as 935 minke whales and up to 50 fin whales in what Japan�s Fisheries Agency says is its largest-ever scientific whale hunt. The expedition lasts through April.

Japan says it needs to kill the animals in order to conduct research on their reproductive and feeding patterns.

Alleged cover for commercial whaling
While scientific whale hunts are allowed by the International Whaling Commission, or IWC, critics say Japan is simply using science as a cover for commercial whaling.

Ken Findlay, a whale biologist at the University of Cape Town in South Africa, said the humpback population was recovering but said he was worried Japan would kill whales from vulnerable breeding grounds like those off New Zealand.

He also said Japan�s hunting methods were unnecessarily cruel. Japanese whalers sometimes chase wounded animals for hours, he said.

�I don�t think firing a harpoon at a whale and then dragging it next to the ship is ethical,� Findlay said. �You question the necessity of that. It�s not research.�

An IWC moratorium on commercial whaling took effect in 1986, but Japan � where coastal villages have hunted whales for hundreds of years � has killed almost 10,500 mostly minke and Brydes whales under research permits since then. Tokyo has argued unsuccessfully for years for the IWC to overturn the moratorium.

Hunt growing quickly
The Japanese hunt, which puts meat from the whales on the commercial market, is growing rapidly despite an increasingly vocal anti-whaling movement. This winter season�s target of up to 1,035 whales is more than double the number the country hunted a decade ago.

Japan argues that it should have the right to hunt whales as long as they are not in danger of extinction.

The American Cetacean Society estimates the humpback population has recovered to about 30,000-40,000 � about a third of the number before modern whaling. The species is listed as �vulnerable� by the World Conservation Union.

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What has your experience been when discussing whaling with Japanese? The overwhelming reaction I've gotten is that it's Japanese tradition, and that they didn't even want to be bothered with compromises. It seems to be the Japanese version of the Korean dog meat debate.

If presented as "what is your reaction to the international opposition" and not "why do Japanese do this," it can drive a good lesson.

[Khyron]

[Vince]

First I've heard of whaling in Korea. Are there any issues with overconsumption or hunting endangered species?

[southofreality]

[Vince]

I don't oppose eating whale meat. What bothers me is immoderate hunting and methods that are far less humane than they could be. If I were in a society in which I felt confident that the whaling didn't have these problems, I'd eat it.

[Apsara]

Ethical arguments aside, eating whale could be really bad for you.

Recent studies, which have not been widely reported in the media, have found that all meat from sea mammals here contains unhealthy levels of mercury. Some samples had levels significantly higher than the fish taken from the bay during the Minamata tragedy. Meat from dolphins caught around Japan is sometimes labelled whale meat, and it is apparently the worst. Even small amounts of mercury can affect the brain and nervous system and brain, making meat from sea mammals dangerous to eat even occasionally.

A guy I know tried to see if he could source meat only from the whales taken from the Southern Ocean, as that is relatively clean apparently, but he found that it's impossible to be sure at the consumer end what you are getting and labelling is often inaccurate. He was previously a committed whale eater, but in light of recent research has stopped eating whale.

Time Magazine and the Japan Times both reported on this recently- here is the Japan Times article: http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fe20070801a1.html

It is mostly about dolphins, but whale meat is also mentioned: "The health ministry has been aware of the mercury problem in small cetaceans (not to mention in the meat from great whales) for many years, but so far it has refused to ban the sale of such food products."

Eat whale if you must, but be aware that it is quite possibly contaminated.

[southofreality]

[Quibby84]

Arent these whales and endangered species? or near to being an endangered species? They said something about that on the news the other day. If that is true then I am completely againest if but if not, then meat is meat...right?

[Apsara]

Did you read my post, Quibby? Because sea mammals are at the top of the ocean's food chain, they tend to accumulate large amounts of persistent toxic chemicals like mercury in their blubber. Much more than tuna for example, which is bad enough. Meat is not just meat when it can damage not only your brain but that of your future children.

Humpback whales are also considered to be possibly verging on endangered as well, hence the larger outcry than usual this year.

[Quibby84]

Do you eat Tuna? I thought that is only really applied (at least enough mercury to harm you) to canned Tuna....
If you do eat Tuna, would you eat it when you were pregnant? I read that it was ok to eat...anytime...who knows anything anymore???
Do the Japanese care about the Mercury thing? Or do they not know about it? or believe it?
I may be stupid to ask this, but where does the Mercury come from?


I read an article, or something, that claimed that they wanted the whales to study their reproduction behaviors...I was sort of confused about that...

[GambateBingBangBOOM]

So, they're researching some new recipes!

What the problem is?

[Apsara]

To answer your question Quibby, I'm a vegetarian for health reasons and I don't like fish anyway, so I wouldn't be paid to eat tuna. Eating tuna when pregnant is akin to smoking when pregnant- not a good thing to do if you want to give your child a good start in life.

As for where the mercury comes from, all kinds of industries- power plants, chemical industries, automobile scrapping- ever seen a mercury thermometer? It ends up in the sea as run-off and as it is a persistent chemical it never goes away, it will always be around in some form.

If you haven't heard of it before, Google "Minamata tragedy" to see what happened when a Japanese chemical corporation discharged mercury into the sea in Kyushu over a number of years.

For more general info, including how your state in the US might be affected by mercury, try searching "mercury contamination".

We can't spend our entire lives worrying about everything going into our mouths, but mercury is one chemical that is really worth avoiding.

[azarashi sushi]

I'm just curious where does the "mercury-in-fish" issue sit within the big picture of all things bad for you? I'm talking about animals being pumped full of anti-biotics and hormones, the use of pesticides and fertilizers on vegetables and fruit, eating sugar and refined white flour, eating at McDonalds etc...

Is it worse than all of those or about the same?

Just curious.

[Vince]

It's hard to know who should be believed, but few people doubt that we live in an era in which we're set up to ingest tons of harmful substances for the sake of corporate profit. If I had the time and land, I'd garden and hunt for my food.

[Mahik]

The process Aspara is talking about is Biomagnification and mostly refers to aquatic life but can apply to all animals.

The principle is that the higher you go in the food chain, the higher the concentration of toxicity in the animal at the top. For example if fish eat DDT contaminated plankton, a bigger fish eats that fish, a whale eats that fish, and you eat the whale, you're eating a very high concentration of DDT. Or if an animal eats a human vegetarian, then they're eating a high concentration of the pesticides from those vegetables that they accumulated over the years.

We still know very little about the long-term detriments to health this causes in humans, besides that it is very BAD. When observed in birdlife, many hatchlings are deformed or stillborn which can be tied directly to biomagnification with birds whose diet consists largely of aquatic life. It's still difficult to determine if there is a correlation to birth defects in human babies and a diet of fish. Since we have a much more varied diet it is much less of a problem, but certainly isn't as healthy for you as it used to be and will only get worse. But honestly, what is good for you these days? If there's anything, it'll be bad for you tomorrow.