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Balzac



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: BAE Interview and Medical? Reply with quote

Hi there,

anyone got any info about the BAE Interview and Medical in Preston, UK? I have been offered this in a few weeks and am wondering how stringent either of them are? I have heard from a friend that the medical is easy peasy,

'The interview is just to make sure you've two arms and two legs, pigeonhole your sexual orientation, give you a four-day intro to how (not) to behave in the Arab world and put you through a security awareness course, which is about the only thing you need. The whole thing is nothing like the Brit Council interview. Basically, if you're an Oxbridge graduate you'll climb the ladder. If you aren't you'll be confined to the lower echelons, a rank above the cleaners. '

I would also like to know how long it typically takes for a confirmation of a successful interview and a subsequent formal job offer?

Also, they have offered to put me up in a hotel there. Any info on that would be useful too along with reimbursement of travel expenses.

Finally, why is it that they keep it such a secret as to not allowing wives to accompany male spouses there? It was never mentioned on the application form, nor in the job ad that I answered. Just a thought! Is it an 'open secret', or did I miss something?

cheeers

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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The medical includes a component where they count your brain cells. If the number is in double digits, you fail.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the number is in double digits, you fail.


Otherwise you pass?

I think you meant to say "IQ", and not "number of brain cells."

We know who failed!
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:15 am    Post subject: BAE Medical exam Reply with quote

Yeah trapezius,

I agree that Scot47 seems a little disgruntled. You think he failed by any chance? Hence his hostility? I mean the medical not the IQ test! LOL

"The medical includes a component where they count your brain cells. If the number is in double digits, you fail."

Yeah scot47, one double digit for every $US 77,000 they pay tax free or for every two IQ points. Nuff said

Let's have some more positive comments please.

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egyptfan



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes....
The interview is usually pretty straightforward.
The medical can be a bit more demanding!
Eye, hearing, XRay, HIV test, blood tests, etc. and liver function test (make sure you haven't been drinking (heavily!) for a week or two prior to the medical.

Re: expenses. They usually pay train fares, reasonable taxi fares, etc. Just keep receipts.

Contrary to what others may feel, most TEFLers are very happy with the 'pampering' and salary they receive. If you must be in Saudi, then it certainly is one of the best contracts to have. Good luck.
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Egyptfan, Shocked

you're now starting to scare me!

[quote] Yes....The interview is usually pretty straightforward. The medical can be a bit more demanding! Eye, hearing, XRay, HIV test, blood tests, etc. and liver function test (make sure you haven't been drinking(heavily!) for a week or two prior to the medical. quote]

With three tests for blood perhaps I should bring a bucketful of my own?! Blood, liver, and HIV! My face has gone all white just thinking about it!! Methinks they're not looking for a teacher but an urban vampire!

Here's me thinking it would be the usual tap on the knees, listening to the chest with a stethoscope, check of the pulse etc.! Wow was I wrong! I really must be out of touch these days! For the medical for my last job, I was asked how to spell my name and given a certificate without any examination at all after I handed over a few dollars.

How long does it all take? Can't I just supply my own recent medical certificate and do it that way? Do you happen to know if they are both done on the same day? Interview and medical? Well 'tickle me livers' as Jack Sparrow might have said!

Thanks for all the advice by the way!

cheers

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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You fellows must be new here... Scot47 is our resident curmudgeon... for about 10 years now. When he isn't picking on newbies, he does know a bit about Saudi after all these years.

As far as I know, every Gulf country requires x-rays and blood tests... really all about AIDS and TB actually. The only unusual addition there is a liver function test.

VS
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PeterBar



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hotels that they use are on the beachfront at Lytham St Annes, about
15 minutes away from the HQ - all the taxi drivers know where to take you. Taxi fares are re-paid.
The X-rays are done at a private clinic about 20 minutes away. A driver will take you and bring you back.

Other features - you need a British bank account so that salary can be paid. BAe strongly suggests HSBC (if you don't already have an account). I find HSBC absolutely useless as their on-line banking does not operate outside the UK.

Opening the bank account was more difficult than passing the job interview. You'll need passport, proof of a "home address" in the UK etc etc.

Compound living conditions in Saudi are generally excellent although outside Riyadh, with Bachelor status you will be sharing accomodation. In Riyadh, at the moment you have excellent single accomodation with superb facilities.

All the admin (Iqama, driving license, multi exit-entry visas) are obtained quickly, efficiently and at no cost to you. You will need a second medical when you arrive. This also will be arranged at no cost to you.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I find HSBC absolutely useless as their on-line banking does not operate outside the UK.


I have a British friend who can access her HSBC account (opened in UK in a UK branch) from Saudi. (online)
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never - in 40 years in education - met sudh a miserable bunch as at BAE ! The job is awful. They get huge salaries, but STILL the turnover is very rapid.

"Go figure" as our colonial cousins might say.

And if you are an aged wrinkly like me they won't hire you ! Ageists !
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have met a number of BAE staff. They are not miserable because they know exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it. Most of the guys I have met (at TESOL Arabia) are OK. They have an easy life (no costs) and are paid a small fortune. They get miserable sometimes like everyone else and if they were really unhappy. they just leave and have a fat bank account.

If we are to say that the BAE lot are miserable, then we must also say that 99% of the posters on Dave's are the same.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If we are to say that the BAE lot are miserable, then we must also say that 99% of the posters on Dave's are the same


I can't see on what grounds...the BAE guys are together in the same organisation, whereas posters are spread out all over the place.

Along with the bitter, jaded and disgruntled, one sees a reasonable number of positive, balanced and constructive postings, no?
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Balzac



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bje wrote:
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If we are to say that the BAE lot are miserable, then we must also say that 99% of the posters on Dave's are the same


I can't see on what grounds...the BAE guys are together in the same organisation, whereas posters are spread out all over the place.

Along with the bitter, jaded and disgruntled, one sees a reasonable number of positive, balanced and constructive postings, no?


Well said bje! I'm often surprised by the bitter rivalries I find on these kinds of boards. Aren't we all on the same side? Aren't we all in the education business? Isn't the main purpose of these boards to share information and experiences so that we all benefit?

Like you bje, I'd like to see more positive postings and not people pulling each other up about which preposition to use or the occasional typo: it's infantile, petty, and unworthy of the chalkies (teachers) on this board!

Nuff said

cheers for that bje Laughing

Balzac Smile


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Balzac



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
I have never - in 40 years in education - met sudh a miserable bunch as at BAE ! The job is awful. They get huge salaries, but STILL the turnover is very rapid.

"Go figure" as our colonial cousins might say.

And if you are an aged wrinkly like me they won't hire you ! Ageists !


scot47,

you're living up to your reputation as the board's curmudgeon as one other poster has termed you. Can I ask how you know the job is awful? Have you been an employee there? Please share your (positive & negative) experiences with me as I have an interview there soon.

I agree that there must be a problem if there is a huge turnover. Might that have something more to do with the lack of female companionship and alcohol rather than managerial incompetence or a bad work environment?

You say you're a 'wrinkly'. I'm in my 40s: do I count as a wrinkly or do I have to be older? LOL Laughing

cheers for your posts.

keep 'em coming (and positive-ish)

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Balzac



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the info Peter Bar,

PeterBar wrote:
The hotels that they use are on the beachfront at Lytham St Annes, about 15 minutes away from the HQ - all the taxi drivers know where to take you. Taxi fares are re-paid. The X-rays are done at a private clinic about 20 minutes away. A driver will take you and bring you back.

Other features - you need a British bank account so that salary can be paid. BAe strongly suggests HSBC (if you don't already have an account). I find HSBC absolutely useless as their on-line banking does not operate outside the UK.

Opening the bank account was more difficult than passing the job interview. You'll need passport, proof of a "home address" in the UK etc etc.

Compound living conditions in Saudi are generally excellent although outside Riyadh, with Bachelor status you will be sharing accomodation. In Riyadh, at the moment you have excellent single accomodation with superb facilities.

All the admin (Iqama, driving license, multi exit-entry visas) are obtained quickly, efficiently and at no cost to you. You will need a second medical when you arrive. This also will be arranged at no cost to you.


Lots to chew on here. They (BAE) called me and said I'll be staying at the Fernlea hotel for the interview which, when I checked on the Internet looks like quite a swanky place with all mod cons: jacuzzi, sauna, wi-fi, fitness room, swimming pool, all meals paid for etc., etc. Can't be bad.

You apparently have to buy a Saver Return Rail ticket as they told me in their blurb,

'We will be pleased to reimburse your Saver Return Rail fare and any bus fares incurred. Taxi fares will not normally be paid unless alternative public transport is not available. These expenses will be paid directly into your bank account. To enable us to do this could you please bring with you a pre-printed credit slip from the back of your cheque book or a paying in book.'

Of course I have a problem here in that I don't have a British bank account nor a permanent place of residence there either, so any suggestions would be welcome.

You mentioned that I would be sharing accomodation. Is that absolutely necessary/mandatory, or do I have a choice? I am a married man and in my 40s, so I would really prefer to live on my own if my wife's not going to be around. No offence, and no, I'm not homophobic either, I would just prefer to have my own space at my age.

You also mentioned 'In Riyadh, at the moment you have excellent single accomodation with superb facilities.' Is that a lot more expensive and how do they compare re distance, comfort etc.?

Anyway, many thanks Peter Bar for all the great info! Wink

cheers

Balzac Wink
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