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		| user001 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: French canadian in Taiwan? |   |  
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				| Hello teachers, 
 I'll first present myself: i have a Bachelor's Degree in Biology and, soon, a Master's in Environmental Science. They were both obtained from french universities. From the title, you understood I was from the french part of Canada. Some might say I have a slight accent, but who doesn't? I consider myself bilingual, my employer too, since I often do translate official documents (english to french). I contacted my universities, and they told me they do not emit diplomas in english, and that I would have to hire an official translator (I saw a thread concerning that subject).
 I want to teach for various reasons including: my desire to learn chinese, my love to teach (only a couple months experience though), the obvious future need for environmental workers in many countries of Asia, travel, etc.
 
 So here are my (first) questions:
 
 1. Are there any good chances to find an TEFL position, without TEFL certificate (too expensive), with a diploma in french? I wonder if this would dissuade potential employers from hiring me..
 
 1a. Maybe I should get a certificate as a security? Although I read it is of no importance in Taiwan...
 
 2. Could I be rejected at the interview because of an accent? I read so many stories of "selection" of teachers, that it makes me wonder...
 
 3. Has anyone heard of, seen, better, work at a school that also offers french? Does anyone know of someone who teaches french?
 
 Thank you!
 
 user001
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		| TaoyuanSteve 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: French canadian in Taiwan? |   |  
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 1. Are there any good chances to find an TEFL position, without TEFL certificate (too expensive), with a diploma in french? I wonder if this would dissuade potential employers from hiring me..
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 TEFL/TESL certs are not required for work permits here and are, overall, not especially coveted by employers here. A degree is most important.
 
 
 
 
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	  | 1a. Maybe I should get a certificate as a security? Although I read it is of no importance in Taiwan...
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 Don't bother with it. A cert offers no security for Taiwan.
 
 
 
 
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	  | 2. Could I be rejected at the interview because of an accent? I read so many stories of "selection" of teachers, that it makes me wonder...
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 One could be rejected for having an accent for sure. Foreign English teachers are supposed to be native speakers of English. That is the number 1 requirement for the job. You most often team teach classes here with local teachers who also can speak English. The foreigner supposedly brings native fluency, usage, pronunciation and accent modeling into the mix. If s/he speaks with a heavy accent, it kind of defeats the purpose of having a foreign teacher.
 
 Your main concerns are whether or not you could qualify as a native speaker of English and whether or not your degrees from Quebec would be accepted here. I can't answer either of those definitively. Perhaps try contacting a school or recruiter and see what they say.
 
 
 
 
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	  | 3. Has anyone heard of, seen, better, work at a school that also offers french? Does anyone know of someone who teaches french?
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 I've seen some ads for French teachers at various times. It's taught here, for sure, but nowhere near as much as English.
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		| BJ 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I have known several French people get jobs due to their ability to speak English well. Also many Dutch, Belgium, South African (Afrikans speakers very heavy accents) Phillipine etc.  Your degree may need to be translated into Chinese and stamped as authentic It depends on their needs, and to be honest if they can understand your accent, ie is it very strong.
 French is taught here at a few universities, and you may well pick up a few adults on a one by one bsis at some of the adult schools.
 
 So all in all it is possible.
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		| TaoyuanSteve 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:02 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | BJ wrote: |  
	  | I have known several French people get jobs due to their ability to speak English well. Also many Dutch, Belgium, South African (Afrikans speakers very heavy accents) Phillipine etc. |  
 So have I mate, but how many of these people were legal? South Africans don't count as their country is considered English speaking, even if individual Saffies' English abilities vary. You'll find, in the case of Dutch etc teachers that they are either married to a local and, hence do not require a work permit, or they are illegal.
 
 The OP is Canadian and Canada is considered an English speaking country, however I'm just not sure how sticky the better employers and the authorities will be about a Quebecois and whether or not the French speaking universities will be on the lists of accepted universities for work permit procurement.
 
 
 
 
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	  | Your degree may need to be translated into Chinese and stamped as authentic |  
 This is done in any case. You just may not have noticed your employer doing so. The litmus test for the OP is whether or not the authorities will accept a degree from a French speaking university for an English teaching job. They might. I'm just not sure and think the OP needs to research it before making plans.
 
 
 
 
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	  | It depends on their needs, and to be honest if they can understand your accent, ie is it very strong. |  
 Bottom line is the better schools in desirable areas will target native speakers. The more "fake" or less desirable teachers wind up in the fringe areas. Assess yourself, OP: Do you sound more like Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien when you speak?
 
 
 
 
I recommend a bit more caution. 
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	  | So all in all it is possible. |  |  |  
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		| Miyazaki 
 
 
 Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| OP, 
 No problems at all.
 Come over and have a look around.
 
 There are many French, South Africans, Philipinos, Argentinians, Italians, Germans, etc. here in Taiwan, and at all levels of education (Universities, high schools, elementary schools, cram schools, language schools, etc.), teaching English. Some of these people are teaching at very well-known (famous) schools in Taiwan and Taipei.
 
 As long as you can speak English and have your Canadian passport, it won't matter if your degrees were obtained in Quebec.
 
 Again, come on over - of course no one can be guaranteed a job but you stand a very good chance of finding a school to work for.
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		| user001 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I sound more like Trudeau! or our governor general Michaelle Jean (with a deeper tone...) because of the international french. I do not have that back country french Quebecois speaking english I think you refer to.  Chretien speaks frenglish, as we call it here... He is definitely not the norm (I guess if he managed to go all the way to the top without any native language, I have my chances!). 
 I wanted to add that I considered teaching english mostly because of the "entertainer" aspect of the job, which I am good at. After reading many posts, I believe that's what schools are looking for.
 
 Are there many non native english speakers teaching EFL?
 
 
 ps- Thanks for the answers.
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		| BigWally 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:11 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | user001 wrote: |  
	  | Chretien speaks frenglish, as we call it here... |  
 Huh...I've never heard it called that before.
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		| Ki 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Don't worry about the accent.  It's the passport and white skin that matters.  In fact, many schools will hire you over me despite my experience, qualifications, Chinese language, etc, because you have that north american passport and I don't.  So, yeah, don't worry about it. |  |  
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