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Sick days and healthcare? ROK vs. Japan (a comp., not OT?)
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chaz47



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Sick days and healthcare? ROK vs. Japan (a comp., not OT?) Reply with quote

How do Japaneses employers react to sick days? What is the healthcare like for someone who goes in to a hospital complaining of a fever, they do at least take your temperature yes?

Please see my thread in the Korea forum for the reasons why I ask:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=108247&start=30&sid=c43a3676b0c1f2683130cfce46eb052c
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markle



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Sick days and healthcare? ROK vs. Japan (a comp., not OT Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
How do Japaneses employers react to sick days?

Sick days? what are sick days? Really you have to beon death's door for most employers to give you a sick day graciously.

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What is the healthcare like for someone who goes in to a hospital complaining of a fever, they do at least take your temperature yes?
Just be ready to pay the bill at the end if you don't have health insurance.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Employers usually balk at people taking days off, but if you are truly sick and not just hung over, it's obvious that you should not go to work, or that you should at least see a doctor.

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What is the healthcare like for someone who goes in to a hospital complaining of a fever, they do at least take your temperature yes?
Are you being sarcastic here for a reason? This is not deepest darkest Africa. Complain of a fever, and of course the hospital will check it out. Read this and all the internal links for more on the health care and insurance system here. http://www.htia.org/e/info/health.html
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chaz47



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Employers usually balk at people taking days off, but if you are truly sick and not just hung over, it's obvious that you should not go to work, or that you should at least see a doctor.

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What is the healthcare like for someone who goes in to a hospital complaining of a fever, they do at least take your temperature yes?
Are you being sarcastic here for a reason? This is not deepest darkest Africa. Complain of a fever, and of course the hospital will check it out. Read this and all the internal links for more on the health care and insurance system here. http://www.htia.org/e/info/health.html


Did you check out my link? I went to a Korean hospital complaining of flu-like symptoms including a high fever and swollen tonsils. They never bothered to take my temperature or check any of my vitals. I told the doctor what my fever had read before I left my house to come there and she was shocked but still made no effort to verify.

It was really sad. Seriously. I was shocked by the lack of basic services, my girlfriend simply says that is "Korean style". I just wondered, I know the Japanese are workaholics but I wanted to contrast to see if they actually follow any sort of rational medical procedure.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time I've been in to see a doctor, they give me a thermometre for under the arm and take the temperature before seeing the doctor, then then doctor already has it all set out in front of home when see him.

I don't go to the doctor very often though, because I know a cold when I have one, and take tylonal (sp?) and vitimins. Then it goes away. I do go if I break an arm or something, though.
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ironopolis



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, if you were shocked or surprised at not having your temperature checked, then I wonder how you'd have felt in the following situation!

I went to my local municipal hospital a couple of years ago having fallen off my bicycle and landed heavily on my elbow. My Japanese was good enough to explain in a reasonable amount of detail what had happened, where the pain was and the limited extent to which I was able to bend or straighten my arm. The doctor I saw had a quick look at my elbow, patted my arm a couple of times and then prescribed me 3 different kinds of medicine, although didn't explain what any of them was, or was for.

You're probably thinking, "what about the x-ray?", and indeed I was thinking the same and asked the doctor. He said there was no need to x-ray it as it wasn't broken, only bruised and would be ok in a few days.

Not much I could do there and then, but I was pretty fuming about this and went to a different hospital to try again. There I received excellent service - they immediately did an x-ray and confirmed there was, in fact, a fracture and that it'd be a couple of months recovery time needed, not a couple of days.

I've lived in both Korea and Japan and I'd say, as a general rule, I'd be fairly happy going to a hospital in either. I have had frustrating experiences in both, and encoutered what seemed to me strange medical practices in both. But I stress that, ultimately, I've been ok.

OP, I know from your previous posts that you're obviously done with Korea, it's not been what you wanted and you're eager to give it a go in Japan now. Just come to Japan, give it a go and see if you like it. I think you'll find an awful lot of your gripes about Korea are similar in Japan, BUT you'll be better prepared to deal with them so it's not necessarily something to worry about. Just my 2 cents, but I don't think fishing for little reassurances that things you haven't liked in Korea are all hunky-dory in Japan is the best idea. You may come across something you don't really want to hear - and given the large number of shocking medical negligence cases in the news in Japan recently, I definitely reckon your sanity is best served by not digging too far on this particular subject.
Just relax a bit, come to Japan and try to enjoy it!
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Khyron



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've lived in both Korea and Japan.

Korean employers: generally complete arses when it comes to teachers calling in sick.

Japanese employers: generally complete arses when it comes to teachers calling in sick, but less so than in Korea.

Korean hospitals: generally good for the big things, but usually, although less often than in Korea, a waste of time when it comes to "small" things like the flu... although you can find some pretty hardcore medicine that's illegal in most western countries.

Japanese hospitals: generally good for the big things, but usually a waste of time when it comes to "small" things like the flu... although you can find some pretty hardcore medicine that's illegal in most western countries. They also take your temperature. There is way more paperwork for you to fill out in Japan then in Korea.



These are my opinions from my experiences in both countries. I've had the privilege to stay in hospital in both nations.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Are you being sarcastic here for a reason? This is not deepest darkest Africa.
You give some wonderful information about things in Japan, but if you have no idea about other Asian countries, why do you bother to make sarcastic remarks about what others have experienced there?
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ironopolis



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khyron wrote:
They also take your temperature.




They do indeed. Actually, in my above broken arm case, in the 1st hospital I went to that didn't bother with the x-ray, they DID actually take my temperature Laughing So feel reassured!
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chaz47



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true that Korea has me at my wit's end but I was recently offered a university job so if I can manage to get it without having to fly back home for the new visa requirements I'll probably stay.
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is not deepest darkest Africa. Complain of a fever, and of course the hospital will check it out.


Something wrong with the Doctors in Africa? Where is the deep dark part?
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Clerk



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeasonedVet wrote:
Something wrong with the Doctors in Africa? Where is the deep dark part?

I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but the twenty countries with the lowest HDIs are all in Africa.
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SeasonedVet wrote:
Something wrong with the Doctors in Africa? Where is the deep dark part?

clerk
I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but the twenty countries with the lowest HDIs are all in Africa.

What does that have to do with the doctors? And do you know the reason why those countries have the lowest HDI's ?
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southofreality



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezus! Let it go.

'Deepest, darkest Africa' is an expression just like 'Bumf*@k, Egypt'. It was used in that sense.

If you want to start a thread on expressions that are outdated and have racist connotations, go ahead, but let it go in this thread.
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

southofreality
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If you want to start a thread on expressions that are outdated and have racist connotations, go ahead, but let it go in this thread

Because you say so?
Ok then.
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