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zaser45



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:02 am    Post subject: city standards Reply with quote

Do you know what is the standards for teaching in cities like Shenzhen or Guangzhou compared to the smaller cities. Are they much stricter than usual? I say this in a way that as far as I have seen, alot of schools in the small cities can be strict, but if you have never been to the bigger places like Shenzhen or Guangzhou. What can you expect there? Like are student complaints more prevalent...demands on performance..exc...
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daCabbie



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the school.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the teacher.
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zaser45



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lets say your a regular average teacher in a well-known school for that city.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the city.
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Little Tiger



Joined: 09 Mar 2011
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Location: Zhongshan, Guangdong

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the standards vary depending on the school, a school I worked in was in a 3rd / 4th tier city and all they wanted you to do was play games and keep the kids happy. The school is part of a well known franchise, so the tests are designed to let every student pass.

I work now in a school in Guangdong and they expect a good standard of teaching and give you fewer classes so that you can focus on quality, I don't think this is much do with what city it is though more like a responsible employer.
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Dr. Dow



Joined: 14 Mar 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is beautiful.

"Like are student complaints more prevalent...demands on performance..exc..."

I know I've seen/read it all now. Someone asking about if he/she f's up. Stay home. You'll be glad the Doctor helped you.
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seamallowance



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Location: Weishan, Jining, Shandong

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(mea culpa)

Last edited by seamallowance on Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:36 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Dr. Dow



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly is a troll?

Someone who types a different opinion than the staus quo? Someone who doesn't like Chinese food and admits it? Someone who hasn't whined about not understanding how to get around their town and never thought about buying an electronic dictionary? Someone who didn't accept a job at Delter and then claims other people's taste buds aren't all together if they think Mexico has hard shell tacos?

If so, I nominate myself for President of the Troll Society.
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the standard.

Seriously, there are so many variables, ever changing variables regarding hiring standards it is nearly impossible to generalize.

Some small cities are ultra strict while some big cities are "anything goes" cowboy towns. And the next province over, the reverse is true.

You are trying to hit a moving, shape-shifting target, in the dark, with a nerf gun.

Whatever internal logic, such as there may be, is often manifested in seemingly utterly arbitrary and capricious ways.
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MisterButtkins



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, I don't see anything wrong with wanting to work at a less-demanding school. The fact is some people are 'serious' about teaching, it is their life's passion, they want to do it as well as possible, they want to have the best teaching environment, they love students, they give private lessons for free after class, etc...

For the rest of us, teaching is just a job.

Personally I will work at a less-demanding school next year. Why? Because it is less trouble. Because it is easier. Because it is LESS WORK. Does this mean my students will learn less in my class? No, I don't think so. It means I will have less headaches to deal with. I will not have to make up lessons for teachers who get sick (at crappy schools, the lessons just get cancelled and no one cares). I will not have to lesson plan 8 lessons per week. I will not have my classes monitored all the time. I will not have to grade a huge number of tests. I will not have to worry about if I'm teaching the same material as all the other teachers. I will not have to write the final exam for all the other teachers because they are incompetent and someone has to pick up the slack, then write a backup exam for all the kids who fail so they can retake it (I'd rather they just bribed someone and saved me the trouble).

No, I will teach what I want, I will make the same amount of money, and my life will be more relaxed. Am I a bad person for this?

But to respond to the topic, I work in a larger (but not super-large) city, at a university program where the kids do 2 years in China then 2 years in the UK. They are really serious here.

Last year I worked at a really crappy school in the middle of nowhere, and you could literally do whatever you want. They did not care about anything as long as you were in the room most of the time.
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flyingscotsman



Joined: 24 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Dow wrote:
What exactly is a troll?

Someone who didn't accept a job at Delter


Where you offered a job at Delter? Please share...
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wangdaning



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterButtkins wrote:
they give private lessons for free after class, etc...


I take my job rather seriously, but I do not give private lessons after class of free. It is part of what I am paid to do.

MisterButtkins wrote:
For the rest of us, teaching is just a job.


Can you imagine a defense attorney saying something like, "some attorneys try to help their clients, for the rest of us it is just a job"?

MisterButtkins wrote:
Does this mean my students will learn less in my class? No, I don't think so. It means I will have less headaches to deal with...at crappy schools, the lessons just get cancelled and no one cares... I will not have to grade a huge number of tests. ..I will not have to worry about if I'm teaching the same material as all the other teachers.


Your general concept here is that less quality is expected in lessons, canceled lessons never take place, and development of curriculum is neglected? Seems rather contradictory to me.

MisterButtkins wrote:
I will not have to write the final exam for all the other teachers because they are incompetent and someone has to pick up the slack, then write a backup exam for all the kids who fail so they can retake it (I'd rather they just bribed someone and saved me the trouble).


The incompetence of one's colleagues doesn't modify the need for quality assessment. How will you know your students have learned anything? Sure, you can teach some of them, but what if the majority fail. You have no way to know what you have taught has been received yet will still claim your students will not learn less. How will you know?

MisterButtkins wrote:
No, I will teach what I want, I will make the same amount of money, and my life will be more relaxed. Am I a bad person for this?



Seems like you are saying less quality for the same money. Look where that has lead art (painting, writing, music...). Often more money for crap.

Maybe you were having a bad day, but I certainly think anyone who considers EFL as a job wants to teach and know if what they have taught is effective. Working less for the same money, well, get a job at BoA. The taxpayers will work hard to give you money. Ethics, eh, whatever.

To the OP, I would stay students complain everywhere, but if they can justify it varies based on the complaint. Demands on work can go down, but one would hope this goes parallel with pay.
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