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[vissan]

Sorry if this has been asked before... or most likely numerous times...
but I tried searching and couldn't find any information on it.

Being that so many jobs seem to be around 16 hours a week, is legal/possible/easy to work 2 esl jobs?

Thanks

[MGreen]

Where I teach, we are not allowed to teach at another university or organization (language school...) with the exception of IELTS examining. Most of my colleagues are IELTS examiners and are allowed to do work for the BC. However, you can teach private students.

[vissan]

Okay,
so it sounds like it would be very difficult to be allowed more than 1 job.

If I want to come to China, I'll be making $800 a month with tons of free time, but no money to enjoy it.

It's tough. I really want to come to China. But I can make almost 5 times the salary at so many other places.

[SnoopBot]

[Lorean]

A lot of university contracts forbid outside work. HOWEVER, your school in particular may not care. One teacher I know was flat out told by his FOA that, so long as he did a good job, they would turn a blind eye. And this guy repeatedly gets asked by faculty for outside jobs. Really, in Chinaland relationships are often more important than rules.

If you work for most training schools, however, they will keep your leash short and tight. Since, by their reasoning, you would be in competition with their school

[lostinasia]

Yes, it's quite simple to get off-contract, private work. And, while some schools many not care if you have additional work, it is however ILLEGAL. The terms of your visa prohibit working outside your legal employer. It is not only a contractual issue, but a legal immigration/visa issue.

[Anda]

I haven't been here long enough but in South Korea you could work as much as you liked provided it was obvious that you were spending your earnings within the country. It takes a while to understand the game. From what I have seen here it is much the same.

I got onto a bus yesterday in one city that was going to my work city and was asked if I was going through to another city that I visit. A little while ago I go onto a bus going to another city and a policeman followed me on and was asking details on me etc on the bus. There are no secrets here much; you are just fooling yourself if you think nobody knows what you are doing. I have never been pulled in for a second job since I started into this game in 1990 but then I spend what I earn in country.

When I first got to South Korea government teachers couldn�t take overseas holidays in other words take earnings abroad and spend it.

[arioch36]

Lost, you are becoming more and more selfrighteous and unhelpful every day. If you are in China, I am sure you do things illegally
Yes? Ever by a DVD here?

[lostinasia]

Please take your personal complaints and opinions of me to the moderators, rather than violate the forum rules or the self-indignation by writing with a complete lack of knowledge of the law.

In fact, you should consult the Chinese Ministry of Immigration and the Ministry of Education ... whence you will see that the term of your visa and FEC are limited to the employer that is your sponsor, unless your employer explicitly states that may obtain additional work elsewhere. Without said permission, any and all additional outside work is illegal and punishable with such things as fines for you, for your employer, or deportation.

The facts are simple. I couldn't care less what the Chinese teachers do or do not do - they are not bound by the laws that apply to foreigners in-country with a Z visa.

And, no, I have never bought a DVD in China. If I had done so, is it your contention that ALL DVD's sold in China are illegal?

I didn't think so.

[arioch36]

Lost, I believe in saying things to a person's face, not to their back. People come here for advice, sometimes stupid questions, granted. I have seen, feel your first intent seems to be to flame them. If you think what I am doing is breaking the rules, then tell the moderator, and perhaps the moderator will agree. But I believe cicilized people should attempt at taking care of their own group, and Dave's is a group

Lost

[malu]

[lostinasia]

I couldn't give a flying leap how anyone abuses the system. I state simple fact. If you don't like it then don't read it. If you don't have any morals to obey the law then don't do it. But, believe me, when the authorities come "a knockin'" I will have much more to stand on in my defense than you may.

And it's Aristotelian...

Anyone who blatantly violates the law with malice of forethought should be the ones booking the flight.

[arioch36]

And you go around telling people what the law is regardless whether it is really true.

Simple question... in your FEC, or z-visa, where does it say the things you claim it says

Lost

[lostinasia]

You actually believe that something must be stated directly on the certificate placed in your passport to be something you must follow? Wow, that is naive.

[arioch36]

Well, you see, my dear lost, you make these claims without any reference.
You make false claims simply to flame people.

Now, you take the law very seriously. That is good, I guess. So how about actually quoting the law?

I have told you the exact words of the SAFEA contract (of course contracts can be different. I have told you my FEC and z-visa don't say the things you claim. So where???

Come to China, and get real

SO which is... illegal to work or illegal to work without explicit permission (which is what I said in the first place, leaving out the word explicit)

And since you chose the word explicit, what does this mean to you? Written? Verbal? In front of witnesses?