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Jordean
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: short term muay thai training |
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In the event I can take a brief holiday (2 to 3 weeks) in Thailand, I would like to get an introduction to muay thai. I am in fairly good shape for a 50 year old guy, and studied taekwondo for several years.
I am not looking just to do 'fitness' training, nor am I looking to prepare for a title fight, just an opportunity to learn some real fighting techniques.
Any good locations/schools? I would travel wherever the schools are, assuming the destination has other tour-worthy attractions. Not including ladyboy shows, thanks.
Any ideas would be appreciated. |
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Nashledanou
Joined: 14 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: short term muay thai training |
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| Jordean wrote: |
In the event I can take a brief holiday (2 to 3 weeks) in Thailand, I would like to get an introduction to muay thai. I am in fairly good shape for a 50 year old guy, and studied taekwondo for several years.
I am not looking just to do 'fitness' training, nor am I looking to prepare for a title fight, just an opportunity to learn some real fighting techniques.
Any good locations/schools? I would travel wherever the schools are, assuming the destination has other tour-worthy attractions. Not including ladyboy shows, thanks.
Any ideas would be appreciated. |
www.tigermuaythai.com
I'll be there in a couple of days. |
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takgeyon
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: Re: short term muay thai training |
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| Jordean wrote: |
In the event I can take a brief holiday (2 to 3 weeks) in Thailand, I would like to get an introduction to muay thai. I am in fairly good shape for a 50 year old guy, and studied taekwondo for several years.
I am not looking just to do 'fitness' training, nor am I looking to prepare for a title fight, just an opportunity to learn some real fighting techniques.
Any good locations/schools? I would travel wherever the schools are, assuming the destination has other tour-worthy attractions. Not including ladyboy shows, thanks.
Any ideas would be appreciated. |
I train up at Rangsit stadium in Bangkok. The training programs they have there are in short term segments but I am about the only "long term" student there as I live close by. I don't have much information about the training camp presented by the previous poster but I will offer my own advice based upon what I have observed. In my school there are many professional fighters from all over the world who come to train. I have noticed that at some of the tourist areas (ie. Phuket, Koa Tao, Pattaya, etc.....) the guys going to train are pretty much a bunch of weekend warrior wankers who want to boast to thier buds that they trained in Mauy Thai. As you can guess with this type of character coming and going everyday, well the training eventually reflects the client. I am not saying that those guys who are the trainers are no good but you should get me meaning. Bangkok is the epicenter of Mauy Thai and there are lots of schools around the town that can probably get you a better deal pricewise and with the traingin you want. It's up to you but those are my two cents worth.  |
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junkmail
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
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Bangkok Fight Club and do private lessons as well as classes. Guys there speak English and can give you lessons in submission wrestling and BJJ also; since you're interested in 'real' fighting skills.
To be honest, unless you want to fight competitively I think the composite approach is better, ie mixing the MT with some sort of grappling. MT has some very useful skills but lacks inclusion of ground grappling, the low kicks are awesome but doesn't include the simpler and more useful groin kick because it's against the rules in MT competition. MT grappling, ie clinch work is awesome and often neglected which is a pity because it's very practical. All IMO only.
One warning: If you only train in martial arts in a recreational way you'll only get recreational results (Quoting Geoff Thompson). Whilst MT is a very effective stand up fighting system in it's own right, it doesn't really lend itself to short courses. It really requires quite a lot of training and sparring to become useful, say six months or so to begin internalising the techniques.
Be lucky!
http://www.bangkokfightclub.com/ |
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takgeyon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| junkmail wrote: |
| One warning: If you only train in martial arts in a recreational way you'll only get recreational results (Quoting Geoff Thompson). Whilst MT is a very effective stand up fighting system in it's own right, it doesn't really lend itself to short courses. It really requires quite a lot of training and sparring to become useful, say six months or so to begin internalising the techniques. |
That really depends on the individual. As stated earlier I train up at Rangsit Stadium and we have professional caliber fighters from all over the world training off and on there. The courses are taught in 3 levels from basic to advanced and are 40 training hours each. There is also a professional track that is 300 hours for those who want to go pro. Nearly every fighter who comes there improves his/her repetoire and leaves better than when they arrived. I have noticed that lots of the MMA types who come in, even the professionals are rather sloppy and lack power. As I observed that's usually a side affect of training in a Western school which stresses sparring above all else. The teachers up at RS will teach you dirty street fighting techniques along with all the standard Mauy Thai moves and they will make sure you are doing them correctly.
I trained MMA for years. Not per se in an MMA school but my experience includes BJJ, Judo, Boxing, Shaolin Kung Fu, Korean Takgeyon (hence my name), Greco Roman wrestling, and now Mauy Thai. The OP stated that he wanted an introdution to MT and my advice to him would be to go to a traditional school that teaches MT and concentrate on that. After years of studying TKD he probably doesn't need anyone telling him how to punch his way out of an altercation most likely he just wants to learn some of the Mauy Thai signature techniques.
As far as the mixed traning approach. I personally wouldn't care to pay a Muay Thai teacher to study BJJ any more than I would Royce Gracie to train me in Muay Thai. I say if you want to learn BJJ then go to Brasil. IF learning hand to hand combat is strictly your goal then I wouldn't advise entering any sport fighting training and that would include grappling. Anyway as you said apart from competitive careers the "hard core" training approach is of limited use to those seeking a lesser exposure to the martial arts and that goes for grappling as well as BJJ and other similar methods are of very limited use in actual streetfights (believe me I know).
Bangkok fights is probably about as good a place as any to learn MT but I question the overall, albeit popular approach of training in mixed styles concurrently. MT Grappling, etc are all pieces of the puzzle. . In my experience 1 techinque truly mastered is better than 10 done in mediocrity. |
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junkmail
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Well takgeyon I don't know about the original poster but, you've talked me into a course at the Rangsit Stadium or at least a visit. I'm not selling MMA as such and in fact I agree with you that it's better to learn each art separately. I do think the Bangkok Fight Club do a good job of that though. BJJ is taught by a BJJ instructor for example. Myself, I tend to train in reality based self defense. I'm not knocking anybody else's approach either, I've met a club doorman with a vicious reputation who practiced Thai Chi.
Takgeyon is the one with the low sweeping kicks, right? |
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