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The 70% - The facts
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gharbob



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: The 70% - The facts Reply with quote

From a very reliable top level source - HCT, ZU and UAEU will not get the 70 percent. Vice Chancellors of these institutions met recently with the Minister of Finace of the UAEU, who has been reported as telling them "What pay rise". Its very evident that the long delay in any announcement has been caused by the Minister in charge of these organizations being overseas. Staff have not been told as the VCrs of these organizations have been trying to get at least something. However, they have been told No.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anyone with any experience in the Gulf that actually thought that TEFL teachers were going to get this raise?

I figured that the odds were about the same as my hitting the lottery... and I never buy the stupid tickets.

It would have been nice if they would have at least given a pittance... even 10% would have been helpful.

VS
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Gauguin



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject: Shoo 70% ? Reply with quote

Well, lets face it, anyone with more that a year with HCT will have figured out by now that nothing would come their way. I predict more 0% pay rises in the future, less allowance or even shared housing, DIY medical opt outs and pressure to pass more and more fledglings into the great work pool. (which in reality needs a good dose of Clorox)
Hey ho what ever...
Gauguin is voting with his feet.
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gharbob



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Shoo 70% Reply with quote

And another prediction is that staff will be transferrred onto packages, which would include a housing allowance. Then they will be truly at the mercy of the greedy landlords and renumeration will fall even further.
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turtlepi1



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: The 70% - The facts Reply with quote

gharbob wrote:
From a very reliable top level source - HCT, ZU and UAEU will not get the 70 percent.


So you have never posted on Dave's yet after getting a "prime source" you immediately ran here to spread the facts. *do you see my eyes rolling* Rolling Eyes

gharbob wrote:

Vice Chancellors of these institutions met recently with the Minister of Finace of the UAEU, who has been reported as telling them "What pay rise".


UAEU has a Minister of Finace? and he was the one deciding about the raise? Rolling Eyes

gharbob wrote:

Its very evident that the long delay in any announcement has been caused by the Minister in charge of these organizations being overseas.


Word has it Sheikh Nayan has indeed been overseas. However in the Arabic papers he had been thanking the government for assisting in recruitment and retention issues. So it would seem he wasn't unaware.

gharbob wrote:

Staff have not been told as the VCrs of these organizations have been trying to get at least something. However, they have been told No.


Anyway, I am not going to insert any of my own opinion (or as you would call them "facts") on the potential raise but if you are "voting with your feet" I hope it isn't as an English teacher or a "punctuator"! Laughing

Here is a supply of !!!!,,,,????'''''

(just "funning") Smile
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bje



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From a very reliable top level source - HCT, ZU and UAEU will not get the 70 percent. Vice Chancellors of these institutions met recently with the Minister of Finace of the UAEU, who has been reported as telling them "What pay rise". Its very evident that the long delay in any announcement has been caused by the Minister in charge of these organizations being overseas. Staff have not been told as the VCrs of these organizations have been trying to get at least something. However, they have been told No.

LOL. Come now...state your source please. This is not to say that any/many of us even entertained a 70% pay rise- but really!!!
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Burqa Babe



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Oh Dear! Reply with quote

There are some people who just like to see the glass half empty rather than half full!

I remember when Sheihk Zayed was celebrating his 25th Silver anniversary and said all Federal employees where to get a double salary! The number of nay sayers was unbelievable and YES we ALL got it...Nationals and expats!

My point is I do have a bit more faith.....
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over the last 10 years there has been a steady erosion of teacher's pay and benefits... all over the Gulf. As at the same time, teaching hours and other obligations for teachers have increased. Well... the employers learned that they can get away with it and still get warm bodies to teach and as long as they can, it is good not to raise one's expectations too high as to which of the ever-present rumors to believe.

The one thing that hasn't changed is the rumors. Cool

But, by comparison with the rest, HCT and ZU and AUS, are still at the top of what we can get if we want to teach in the Gulf outside of Saudi.

The money from Sheikh Zayed is a different issue. That money came directly from him, not the Ministry (the same as when Sultan Qaboos did the same in Oman a few years back... there identified as the Royal Purse). The Ministry decides things by committee... therein lies the obstructions.

VS
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tiberio



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Quote Reply with quote

from a widely circulated email written by one of the deans at UAEU, addressed to his faculty:

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Today, at the academic council meeting, the VC related the expectations as advertised that all university employees will be included in the announced raises, but as the news was a surprise, he cautioned not to start spending till the official notification from the Ministry of Finance and Industry comes in as expected in the next few weeks. Other than the 70% advertsied salary raise, the government has completely financed the 25% raise for all nationals and expats in the University...


it may happen after all...
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Longton



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pay and benefits packages at HCT, ZU and AUS are higher than those at Saudi universities. And if you can take the housing allowance in cash and buy your own place and the Dubai property market continues to boom then it all adds up to a considerable difference.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Longton wrote:
...and [if] the Dubai property market continues to boom then it all adds up to a considerable difference.

That is a crucial 'if' because from what I have been reading, the re-sale market is a serious problem. And the politics of the region could kill the market dead overnight.

Not predicting... just saying...

Putting money into a property market like this is akin to a casino. Only gamble what you can afford to lose.

VS
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Amen! Reply with quote

Amen, VS. All it takes is one car bombing and many here, especially the newer ones, will be thinking the worse thoughts. Let's just hope that the internal security are doing their jobs (an oxymoron?) and the way the sheikhs have been spreading out the wealth to the nationals to keep their eyes and ears open continues to pay the dividends that they have been up to now.

NCTBA
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caliph



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The property market rules can change overnight on a whim.

Newest glitch in Dubai is you can't rent "your" property, you must occupy it or leave it vacant. G-d forbid you should compete with the local landlords.

Who wants a 99 year lease on a flat in a building with a life expectancy of 30 years. What happens when they tear the building down, do you own a cubic area of the sky? or Pie in the sky?
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ckhl



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is I do have a bit more faith.....

Don't tell me you've been silly enough to have already budgeted for this mythical 70% increase....For those who've capped out at the HCT, a 70% increase will translate into a monthly salary of about Dhs30,000 a month. Highly unlikely.

Could someone direct me to the ordinance stating that foreigners who've entered the Dubai property market cannot rent? I am sure that will upset none too few who got bamboozled in this scam. Just wait a few more years once all of the projected units are completed.
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caliph



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The no rental policy was in the online Gulfnews.
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