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bourgoinpierre



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: literature Reply with quote

Is it easy to get books in Riyadh? Are there any good English Books Stores, libraries, or �take one leave one� places? Is there huge censorship on books? Can ex-pats get books from, say, Amazon in Riyadh? Do I have to bring a supply of reading materials?
Thanks!
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is basically only one English language book shop (not to be confused with 'store') in Riyadh. It is called "Jarir" and there are several branches around town. Its stock is limited, unless you enjoy trashy 'romantic' fiction or diet books. There are no public libraries worth mentioning.

Regarding 'censorship', since the range of available books is so limited, its hard to say if that is because of censorship or just indifference. What I can say is that serious books about KSA or the Gulf are almost impossible to find, as are most books on religion which don't have the official stamp of approval. At the same time, the bestselling novels which line the shelves of Jarir very likely contain rather lurid 'romantic' scenes which presumably get lost amidst the pulp.

It's easy to order from Amazon or other online bookshops. Just be aware that anything obviously referring to KSA or to religion, as well as anything with pictures of 'scantily' clad women, is likely to be the cause of suspicion among the customs officers.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
English language book shop (not to be confused with 'store')

Huge swathes of us English speakers consider book store or book shop to be synonyms... no confusion whatsoever... Laughing

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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose the confusion arises from the fact that those people who speak of 'book stores' aren't very familiar with the merchandise therein.
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007



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is basically only one English language book shop (not to be confused with 'store') in Riyadh. It is called "Jarir" and there are several branches around town. Its stock is limited, unless you enjoy trashy 'romantic' fiction or diet books. There are no public libraries worth mentioning.

There is another bookshop in Riyadh called Al-Obaikan bookshop and has some limited English books. Al-Obaikan bookshop has branches in Dammam and Madinah.

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Do I have to bring a supply of reading materials?

You can bring your reading materials as far as it pass the Saudi red lines !!
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
I suppose the confusion arises from the fact that those people who speak of 'book stores' aren't very familiar with the merchandise therein.

That is where I go when I want to purchase books...
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007



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I purchase my books from the online bookstore (US) and online bookshop (UK)!
Both are the same, except in their services! Laughing
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Psycho drama Reply with quote

I always used to get an "M" bag from the local post office in the States at the start of each holiday and fill it (it's pretty big, about the size of a seabag or a duffel bag) with about 100 used (purchased from local used book stores) and new books.
It would be shipped (literally - by ship), so it would take about 3 months to get to me. But if I sent it off near the start of my summer holiday, I'd always get it no later than early October (and often sooner.) That would help get me through the other 9 months or so.
Speaking of Jarir, I can still remember my astonishment at seeing copies of "American Psycho" on sale there. Now that's one heck of an obscene (or, if you prefer a less politically incorrect word: dirty) book.
Maybe they bought it under the impression that it was a biography of George W. Bush.
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John
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was surprised to see the Harry Potter books in the Al Jarir bookstore on Olaya. I'd imagined that wizardry and sorcery would really inflame the local sensibilities.
On our compound there was a mini-library created by generous ex-residents dumping their used paperbacks. Everything from John Irving to Chomsky and Plato. Good luck and good reading to the OP.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was surprised to see the Harry Potter books in the Al Jarir bookstore on Olaya.


A few years ago a friend of mine when into said 'store' to buy the latest Harry Potter which he'd previously seen on sale there, and was told that they had been removed from the shelves because they were considered offensive. However, as you say, they are now freely available, as are the films and DVDs. In general, I would say censorship has lightened up quite a bit in KSA over the past few years, though certainly there are many 'red lines' which cannot (yet) be crossed.
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bourgoinpierre



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to read stuff that goes a bit beyond the realms of what I think Islam would frown upon--none of that romance crap though--so I really hope that they don�t scour my books at customs to find unorthodox passages in the text... I mean, is there a little section at security with a comfortable armchair and a coffee table where learned officials constantly flip through the pages of shady books?
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People told me that Saudi customs officers literally ''judge the book by its cover''. So if there is anything that might cause offence on the cover- tear it off.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really hope that they don�t scour my books at customs to find unorthodox passages in the text


Most customs officials don't read English, and really have no interest in scouring your books for 'unorthodox passages'. As the last poster suggested, customs officials are far more likely to take offence at photos of 'indecently ' dressed women, whether on books, magazines, CDs or DVDs. So a copy of "Cosmopolitan" is far more likely to be confiscated than a serious, but 'unorthodox' political or religious tome written in English. If anything you are considering taking does include potentially offensive photos, either cover them or better still, tear them out.

In any case, put your worries into perspective. In several years of coming and going to/from Riyadh airport, I have never had my baggage subjected to even a cursory inspection. Granted, as a woman I am perhaps less likely to be searched than a single male, but even so, provided you are not carrying anything obviously illegal, I really don't think you have much to worry about these days.
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007



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bourgoinpierre wrote:
I like to read stuff that goes a bit beyond the realms of what I think Islam would frown upon--none of that romance crap though--so I really hope that they don�t scour my books at customs to find unorthodox passages in the text... I mean, is there a little section at security with a comfortable armchair and a coffee table where learned officials constantly flip through the pages of shady books?

There are some books which are black listed and banned to enter the magic kingdom. For example, the book titled �Lolita� by Vladimir Nabokov is banned from entering the magic kingdom.

Even some books written by most celebrated Saudis novelists are also banned, for example "Cities of Salt" by the late Abdul-Rahman Munif and "The Insane Asylum" or "Freedom's Apartment," by Ghazi al-Gosaibi - the Saudi Minister of Water and Electricity - are banned in Saudi Arabia, but his later work was shown on television. It was broadcast several years ago by Saudi-owned satellite channel MBC, based in London!!!.

SO, check that your books are not black listed before you travel to the magic kingdom and before Uncle Bandar confiscate them! Laughing
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's years since anybody ever checked books at Customs, and four or five years since they gave up on passing CDs to the mutttawa for checking.

I doubt if 007 has the least idea what he is talking about regarding the present state of banned books. The customs officer won't know, and if you are a fan of Al-Otaibi or Nabokov just use another cover.
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