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nick1102 · Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 12

if i arrive on a z visa, decide i hate my job and want out of the contract duing the probation period, can i stick around on the same z visa, or do i have to get another?

TreKidation · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 108

This is basic.

Your visa, work permit, foreign expert certificate, and resident permit are all conditioned upon employment with your current employer. If you leave your job all your documents are now invalid. They belong to you based on the employer you got them with.

vikuk · Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1842

By the rules, to leave a contracted job - to take up a new job - you need a release letter, and there is now even talk of a recommendation letter, from your Z visa employer.
Looking at the FT game in this way you can see that when coming to China (by the rules) - the rules almost allow the employer to control your career. This makes the China FT job such a big gamble for the inexperienced, naive and timid Idea

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

Also you might have to pay a fine depending on what your contract says.

TreKidation · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 108

kev7161 · Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China

Probation period? What kind of job are you looking for? I guess some language mills have a probabtion period - - where they pay you a lower salary for the first 3 months or something while they make sure you can do the job adequately. I suppose a teacher has a right to terminate during this time as well without penalty but I would suggest to make sure it's in your contract.

TreKidation · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 108

Every contract I have seen (mine or friends) have had a probation period; and this is in reference only to universities. It's usually 30 days; in this period either the school or the teacher can terminate the contract without penalty. In one instance they wanted me to accept about 500 RMB less my full salary for this period, I said no, they said no, I found a different job.

jeffinflorida · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:58 am Post subject:

If you don't like your job take my advice:

Run Forrest Run...

But get a new visa because they wil invalidate your visa in the days or weeks after you leave...

arioch36 · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589

never had aprobation period in any of my contracts, but then contracts are very negotuable, and I wouldn't sign such a contract. i would firmly believe tht this would only be for the school's benefit in trying to short-change you. A probation clause is usually contigent on the teacher doing a satisfactory job, and the school will evaluate you however they want, on whatever basis they want. I was at one "higher level" school hat had avery comprehnsive plan for evaluating teachers. I asked a couple of Chinese teachers in the English Department if they could explain the criterion. They had no clue what most of the terms meant, much less how to evaluate me based on this paln. Not to worry! The "teacher" who evaluated my class at this school didn't speak english anyways Razz

Nick

arioch36 · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589

Vikuk

TreKidation · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 108

Uggggg - nothing every goes smoothly here.

First of all the probation period is equally good for the teacher - it bypasses the whole concept of giving notice, paying penalties, and the like. It gives the teacher an out as well, so don't claim it only benefits the school. I WANT a period in my contract that I can get out - not that I have ever done so. And, I would also demand proper criteria for evaluation if that is what the period is being used for. I've never in my years had any evaluate me or come to my room. The only time I've had Chinese teachers in my room was when they wanted to listen to my class or helped give finals ........

Everyone has to find a way to knock what others write in some form or another.

At my last job change I was required to submit both a letter of release and recommendation before they would process my resident permit.

arioch36 · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589

i'm not knocking your idea of what probation is, just never seen it in that form in any contracts in henan.
because one doesn't agree with you they are knocking yo? Not my intention.

You yourself said that a school tried to give you 500 RMB less, and that no one has ever evaluated you. So i would go back to this supporrting that a bad school will use this to shortchange you, and a decent school, such a period won't be neccessary.

But I have no problem with not agreeing on such a thing. It's purely a matter of choice. You have said why you think it's a good idea, I have said my doubts, and this gives others a perspective in deciding what to do.

So to repeat. No knocking intended. MY Personal experience from what others have told me, ie the school that offered you 500RMB less, makes me feel that probation periods benefit the school that wants to shortchange you. I have never in 7 years seen a school tell a teacher to leave after 30 days based on poor teaching performance. Never Also, my personality, I would never quit on a school after just 30 days simply because i didn't like the school. It would have to be something severe enough to warrant a breach of contract. So I have an difference of opinion. I'm sorry if I stated my different opinion in a way that annoyed you Embarassed

jeffinflorida · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject:

TreKidation · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 108

jeffinflorida · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject:

Don't take that personally HomeBoy...

Your post of