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matador

Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 281
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: Apartment in Guangzhou |
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Does anyone know any good real estate agents here who speak English? I am looking to find a new one bedroom apartment. Many thanks. |
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Sinobear

Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269 Location: Purgatory
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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A one bedroom apartment may be tricky...usually in older, run-down buildings. A two-bedroom apartment can be found for a reasonable amount (1500 RMB/mo +).
PM me if you really need some help.
Cheers! |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sinobear wrote: |
A one bedroom apartment may be tricky...usually in older, run-down buildings. A two-bedroom apartment can be found for a reasonable amount (1500 RMB/mo +).
PM me if you really need some help.
Cheers! |
Sinobear,
You are talking Baiyun prices here -- not Tian He prices, surely not Panyu prices and truly not Beijing Lu area prices -- maybe parts of Haizhu but just maybe or in the outskirts like Huadu. Otherwise, I would say that RMB 2000 is a more realistic starting price for anything near a subway stop.
HFG
And to the OP -- take a Chinese friend with you -- not a Chinese-speaking foreign friend but a Chinese friend. Any broker can do the job for you and quite well at that. |
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Joe C.

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 993 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: |
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HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
Sinobear wrote: |
A one bedroom apartment may be tricky...usually in older, run-down buildings. A two-bedroom apartment can be found for a reasonable amount (1500 RMB/mo +).
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You are talking Baiyun prices here -- not Tian He prices, surely not Panyu prices and truly not Beijing Lu area prices -- maybe parts of Haizhu but just maybe or in the outskirts like Huadu. Otherwise, I would say that RMB 2000 is a more realistic starting price for anything near a subway stop.
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Tianhe is an extremely big district and you most certainly can find a 2-bedroom for about 1500 RMB. You can find them for 600 RMB and near the subway, but you might not want to live in them.
Generally speaking, Panyu is cheaper than GZ proper, but then you have transportation issues. As for the area near Beijing Road, you can find lower prices there than you can in Tianhe unless, of course, you want to live on Beijing Lu -- kind of a stupid move since it is virtually 100% stores and small shops.
Find a place convenient to work. Even if it isn't near the subway, there are more than enough busses that cover every corner of the city, albeit crowded during peak times.
There is a nice real estate agent who has a shop near the Star Hotel in Tianhe. She is Chinese, but can speak English pretty well. She's a nice lady and won't try to rob you. I can get you her phone number if you want ... or probably Sinobear knows of an agent just as good. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: Yes and No |
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The previous post is incomplete in many ways.
First, the poster refers to Tian He as an extremely large district. That presupposes a reference point of what is a large district. Tian He is smaller than Brooklyn, smaller than Staten Island, smaller than Queens so in terms of a district, it may be large for someone from Podunk, Iowa, but small to someone from New York, New York. Generally speaking, many of my GZ friends feel that Tian He radiates out from Tian He Bei Lu and that immediate area which encompasses a goodly amount of schools, universities, etc., etc.
Next, the previous poster failed to disclose some rather important information to you insofar as public transport in GZ is concerned. Indeed, public transport is well-developed in GZ but subway services begins on some lines only around 06h00 and finishes as early as 22h45. On other lines, it may run a little later (say until near 00h00). Still, it is not an all night service.
As for city buses, they start anywhere from 05h30 and also finish in the evening anywhere from 20h30 to 22h30. Thus. if you are evenings out kind of a person and if you live at any given considerable distance from place of employment and place of play, you may find yourself racking up taxi bills rather quickly.
Next, I would love to know in what respectable part of GZ one might, as the previous poster has suggested, find a respectable apartment for RMB 600 a month. Perhaps you could and then perhaps you would need to spend another 6 000 RMB to make it livable. You also need to be aware of the fact that home burglaries occur in GZ on a far greater scale than in other cities in China and thus where you live in GZ and the inherent security of where you live should be an important consideration. Quite a few of my (local) GZ friends have had their apartments visited.
Next, perhaps the previous poster knows something that the Guangzhou Tax Department does not know in terms of gross revenues. The district known as Panyu has the highest per capita revenue of any district in the city and property values in Panyu and in the Tian He Bei Lu area can be equally breathtaking.
I repeat what I told you earlier -- take a Chinese friend with you and any local agent can do the job quite well for you. |
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Joe C.

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 993 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Yes and No |
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HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
The previous post is incomplete in many ways. |
It's always funny watching HGF make a fool of himself on his spiral downwards.
HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
First, the poster refers to Tian He as an extremely large district. That presupposes a reference point of what is a large district. Tian He is smaller than Brooklyn, smaller than Staten Island, smaller than Queens so in terms of a district, it may be large for someone from Podunk, Iowa, but small to someone from New York, New York. Generally speaking, many of my GZ friends feel that Tian He radiates out from Tian He Bei Lu and that immediate area which encompasses a goodly amount of schools, universities, etc., etc. |
Most of your GZ friends must not have gotten an A level in geography.
Fortunately OP already lives in GZ so won't be misled by HFG.
Obviously HFG has never been to NYC either. Brooklyn, at 158.7 km2, is larger than either Queens or Staten Island. Tianhe is about 20 km2 smaller than Brooklyn, but still almost double either Manhattan or the Bronx in area. But anybody not from Podunk, Iowa would have known that already.
Tianhe is bigger than Dong Shan District and bigger than Yu Xue District before they were ultimately combined recently. An educated person -- cough, cough -- would take the comment that Tianhe is big not as a reference to cities not even on the same continent, but as an indication that it would be rather stupid to say that in Tianhe you cannot find an apartment for 1500 RMB near the subway.
HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
Next, the previous poster failed to disclose some rather important information to you insofar as public transport in GZ is concerned. Indeed, public transport is well-developed in GZ but subway services begins on some lines only around 06h00 and finishes as early as 22h45. On other lines, it may run a little later (say until near 00h00). Still, it is not an all night service. |
Yes, some people obviously do use the tactic of trying to baffle people with bull$hit when knowledge of the topic escapes them.
In any event, please tell us about the subway system linking most of Panyu. Oh, wait a minute ... there isn't one!
The fact is, transportation in GZ is light years better than in Panyu unless every place you need to go to is within walking distance or you don't mind the real nifty free bus service many complexes offer which during peak times can take over 2 hours round-trip to GZ.
HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
As for city buses, they start anywhere from 05h30 and also finish in the evening anywhere from 20h30 to 22h30. Thus. if you are evenings out kind of a person and if you live at any given considerable distance from place of employment and place of play, you may find yourself racking up taxi bills rather quickly. |
And in Panyu? Tell us about the extensive bus service that runs much later than GZ busses. Oh, and your secret to finding a taxi in Panyu when they are few and far between.
Oh, wait a minute, you've never lived in GZ, have you?
The undisputable fact is that prices in Panyu are generally lower than in GZ proper, but transportation is an issue.
HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
Next, I would love to know in what respectable part of GZ one might, as the previous poster has suggested, find a respectable apartment for RMB 600 a month. Perhaps you could and then perhaps you would need to spend another 6 000 RMB to make it livable. You also need to be aware of the fact that home burglaries occur in GZ on a far greater scale than in other cities in China and thus where you live in GZ and the inherent security of where you live should be an important consideration. Quite a few of my (local) GZ friends have had their apartments visited. |
Unlike someone who has to lie to make himself look like what he isn't, I have seen places going for far less than the 2000 RMB, which you pulled out of your butt, in Tianhe and near the subway.
I do not recall the OP saying anything other than a one-bedroom apartment and certainly not respectable. Your vision problems aside, you stated that "I would say that RMB 2000 is a more realistic starting price for anything near a subway stop [in Tianhe]."
So you are now trying to qualify that lie by adding another adjective? Well, you'll have to do a tad better to weasle your way out of that lie. The fact is that Shipai is in Tianhe and apartments in that area -- even many apartments for rent on campus -- go for about 1200 RMB.
Shipai Village has apartments for 300 - 600 per month. Small, yet tidy -- similar to the row homes in Beijing. Few foreigners or people with decent incomes would want to live there, though, but the point wasn't where one would want to live, but to point out that HFG is, let's say, honesty impaired.
Or will you try to now quote an imaginary law about how Shipai and all the universities there are not really in Tianhe?
As for security, wealthy neighborhoods also have issues. That might be why bars are on every window and people have two doors -- one made of steel?
HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
Next, perhaps the previous poster knows something that the Guangzhou Tax Department does not know in terms of gross revenues. The district known as Panyu has the highest per capita revenue of any district in the city and property values in Panyu and in the Tian He Bei Lu area can be equally breathtaking. |
Unlike your claims to government regulations, policies and statements on other threads that were proven lies, I hope you can show evidence for your claim.
Property prices on Tianhe Bei Rd. are generally uniformly high. Property prices in Panyu are cheaper in general, but there are a number of gated communities where prices for independent structures for single families are very expensive. So, as long as one doesn't want to live in a single-family structure, Panyu is cheaper than Tianhe Bei Rd.
Now this is what comes from actually knowing what one is talking about instead of trying to decipher a tax bureau report and twisting it to fit your lies.  |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Joe C. and His Smut |
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Joe C.,
Your blue-collar origins show to an illiterate extreme as Dorothy Parker would say.
1. I was born in Lenox Hill Hospital on the Upper East Side of New York -- a neighborhood in which you would probably be the doorman at the local dry cleaner at best.
2. I was baptized at St. Ignatius Loyola on Park Avenue on the Upper East Side in a church where at best you might have been the doormat, well-worn and frayed around the edges.
3. I lived at and still maintain a co-op on 91st Street between Fifth and Madison in a building where your mere presence would cause revolt and revulsion by your crass words and actions. Of course it is a restricted building, and that alone would keep you out.
4. I attended a very famous university on the Upper West Side of the city where you might have been the local mugger on the streets removed by the police.
5. I am a member of the Union Club and my wife has been active in the Metropolitan Opera Ladies Guild and the Junior League. She is particularly active in fundraising activities for charities that assist adults who have substance-and-alcohol abuse issues and frankly given the tenor of your messages, that might suit you. I would suggest a protracted stay at the Betty Ford Clinic.
5. I lived on Tian He Bei Leu in a wonderful building for a considerable period of time in a building where you surely would not be able to pass the muster of the admitting board.
6. I have acquaintances at Bellevue Hospital who would surely be pleased to see if they could fix what is so obviously wrong with you.
7. I have many (Chinese) friends in wonderful gated communities in Panyu whose villas have private swimming pools, with staff, etc. Some of them are looking for a trash collector and I think that the position fits you remarkably well.
Now, go back to your steel mill.
HFG |
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jwbhomer

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 876 Location: CANADA
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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What I like about HFG is his modesty. Nowhere in his many posts does he tell us what major and prestigious prep school and university he attended, or which prestigious universities he has taught at in China, or what his connection with La Habana (= Havana, for us blue collar types) might be. It's lovely to see such modesty, especially coming from someone who obviously has so much to be modest about. |
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