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Griff-James
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 Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Official Documents |
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I've just read a book by S. Griffiths that claims the Saudi authorities need evidence of "Baptism" (a baptismal certificate) before they let you into the country.
Is this true.  |
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Griff-James
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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This is a serious question, as I might need to get one.
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Zajko
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No, they don't: at least never in my experience or that of anyone I've met. If you have a non-Muslim name/ancestry and are claiming to be a Muslim on your visa application they'll usually require a certificate or statement of conversion/Islamicity from your local mosque. For those who are Christian (whether by conviction or convenience) however, you simply state this as your religion on the application form and that's that.
Not sure if 'Islamicity' is a word, by the way, but it's the best I could think of in the circumstances. If anyone can think of a better one I'm happy to stand corrected. |
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Saudi4Ever
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure if 'Islamicity' is a word, by the way, but it's the best I could think of in the circumstances. If anyone can think of a better one I'm happy to stand corrected. |
Shahadah, the testimony of faith. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Years ago they used to ask for evıdence of relıgıous faıth. Not now. |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Saudi4Ever wrote: |
| Zajko wrote: |
Not sure if 'Islamicity' is a word, by the way, but it's the best I could think of in the circumstances. If anyone can think of a better one I'm happy to stand corrected. |
Shahadah, the testimony of faith. |
The declaration of belief in the oneness of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahadah |
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Saudi4Ever
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Same thing... |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I know of a few Buddhists who pretended to be Christian on their visa forms in order to ease their application. Their claims were never doubted, however implausible they may seem. As far as I know, only Muslims might be asked to prove their religious allegiance. |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleopatra wrote: |
| As far as I know, only Muslims might be asked to prove their religious allegiance. |
Why? |
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Zajko
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As far as I know, only Muslims might be asked to prove their religious allegiance.
Why? |
That's a weird question for someone who has lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, and who posts / claims to know as much about the Magic Kingdom as you supposedly do, isn't it, 007?
In a country where entirely different rules and laws apply to Muslims and non-Muslims in areas as fundamental as which cities you can and can't visit, where you can and can't live and work, what visas you can get and what buses you can travel on, why on earth do you think? |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Zajko wrote: |
| That's a weird question for someone who has lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, and who posts / claims to know as much about the Magic Kingdom as you supposedly do, isn't it, 007? |
No, it is not!
Not true! Your stereotyping of me is totally wrong!
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| In a country where entirely different rules and laws apply to Muslims and non-Muslims in areas as fundamental as which cities you can and can't visit, where you can and can't live and work, what visas you can get and what buses you can travel on, why on earth do you think? |
Wrong! You did not answer my question.
Try another answer. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Off limits |
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Dear 007,
Well, being a non-Muslim, I'd better not apply for a job based in Makkah or Medina.
And if I were a Muslim and applied for such a job, I'd better be able to prove I'm a Muslim.
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007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Off limits |
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| johnslat wrote: |
Dear 007,
Well, being a non-Muslim, I'd better not apply for a job based in Makkah or Medina. |
It depends on the location of your employer. If the location of your employer is outside the borders of 'Al-Haram' (forbidden boudaries) and still in the city of Madinah or Makkah, then it is possible for a non-Muslim to work and live in the area. If the location is inside 'Al-Haram', then yes you would better not to apply.
Because Non-Muslims are not allowed to enter or cross the 'Al-Haram' lines.
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| And if I were a Muslim and applied for such a job, I'd better be able to prove I'm a Muslim. |
Not necessarily!
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Saudi4Ever
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleopatra wrote: |
| As far as I know, only Muslims might be asked to prove their religious allegiance. |
I wouldn't exactly call it 'proof'. Many people LIE and claim to be Muslim. I've met several women, who are married to saudis that lied and said they were Muslim and many of them have the most extreme hatred for Islam. One blogger mentions here, how she lied to make her visa process easier , at the request of hewr husband.
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| I also went to an Islamic Center and got a certificate saying that I was a Muslim. Adnan told me that if I had this, it would make things easier for me in Arabia, so I did. |
http://susiesbigadventure.blogspot.com/2007/12/live-from-jeddahits-susie-of-arabia.html
So I guess if someone is desparate enough to really want to see Makkah and Medinah than they can go this route. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: The proof is in |
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Dear 007,
Even if the "proof" were only reciting the Shahadah (in Arabic) and adhering
to the Five Pillars of Islam, that, to my mind, anyway, would still be "proof."
Regards,
John |
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