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fiveeagles



Joined: 14 Apr 2005
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Location: Jeonju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Recruiting for Saudi Arabia Reply with quote

A number of schools have been contacting us to recruit for them.

I was wondering if anyone had any good information on what I should charge and what I should look out for. Are there any black lists for Saudi Arabia schools?
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desultude



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, small world, eh? Cool

So you are a recruiter? Didn't know that.

You should know that proselytizing in the Kingdom is an especially bad idea. And practicing any religion other than Islam is out.

I know that I have yanked your chain before, but what I am saying is gospel, so to speak, and one needs to be really aware of the limitations here in the Kingdom.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standard charge is a month's salary. May sure they pay everything up front for visa expenses, medical and ticket, that they provide work permits not business visas, that they can get the visas issued in Korea, and that they advance you money for the candidates interview expenses.
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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
Yeah, small world, eh? Cool

So you are a recruiter? Didn't know that.

You should know that proselytizing in the Kingdom is an especially bad idea. And practicing any religion other than Islam is out.

I know that I have yanked your chain before, but what I am saying is gospel, so to speak, and one needs to be really aware of the limitations here in the Kingdom.


Yep, I know. Thanks for the warning though, I appreciate it.
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fiveeagles



Joined: 14 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen Jones wrote:
Standard charge is a month's salary. May sure they pay everything up front for visa expenses, medical and ticket, that they provide work permits not business visas, that they can get the visas issued in Korea, and that they advance you money for the candidates interview expenses.


A school paying upfront. Seriously?

Medical...what cost will there be for medical? Finally, why Korea?
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Medical...what cost will there be for medical? Finally, why Korea?
Korea because it showed as your location. I presumed they wanted you to recruite from Korea.

The cost of the medical varies wildly from country to country. The same tests are $600 in the UK and $24 in Sri Lanka.
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ghost



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

I'm currently 'using' a recruiter in Korea, to try to find a University position, and I have agreed to pay her 30% of my first pay cheque for the chance to sign a contract. Some people think that is crazy, but I think it is better to have a job, and pay a little for the service, than not to have a job. She has the 'connections' and that is something that is worth a lot.

At this time, Saudi is on the back burner - the follow up from applications in Saudi does not seem very professional - and e-mails sent may not be answered. It is frustrating.

Ghost in Korea
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MixtecaMike



Joined: 19 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was working in Korea when I found a job in KSA. I was told (at the embassy in Seoul) that I could do my visa there, however I wasn't able to. Just something to be aware of if you are in Korea looking for work, Saudi visas are limited to certain numbers of certain nationalities for certain companies, at certain embassies, or something like that.
I did end up getting a visa eventually, from Australia.
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brasscat



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Repent! Don't Go To Hail Reply with quote

Any ethical recruiter will take any ads from UOH, Hail and give it to the canary cage.

Refugees from nowhere land are still arriving at PMU. PMU is a good spot for both married and single people.

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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the feeling that Brasscat did not like it in Hail. Maybe Hail did not like him ?
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brasscat



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Hail & UOH Reply with quote

The people of the town of Hail are a very religious group, but friendly to foreigners. The place was small, but had its share of interesting things to do. The city of Hail and I have no bones to pick.


UOH. Different story here. Incompetant pests running the place like a gulag. Not to mention the matter of $1200 US in unpaid overtime. Just can't love a place that throws a person into a class 15 minutes after arrival with no books or orientation. If you like your pay late, this is the place.
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ghost



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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The people of the town of Hail are a very religious group, but friendly to foreigners.


That is an interesting observation, because in my experience, in my past travels to Islamic countries, the more religious people were often the least open and friendly to foreigners, as, after all, they considered foreigners to be 'infidels' with all the negative connotations that the word implies.

A form of brain washing had taken place in their (the ultra religious) minds, and nothing you said or did could change that....the negativity had been hard wired into their psyche.

Ghost in Korea (www.gifle.go.kr)
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007



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Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: re Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
That is an interesting observation, because in my experience, in my past travels to Islamic countries, the more religious people were often the least open and friendly to foreigners, as, after all, they considered foreigners to be 'infidels' with all the negative connotations that the word implies.

It seems your experience with the �Islamic� countries is a �bleak� experience!!
I think you were the �wrong� person in the �wrong� place and on the �wrong� time!
The more religious people, whether Muslims or Christians, are the more humble, peaceful, and fearful of God.
The least open and friendly people to foreigners are the �racists� and not the more religious, and this exist everywhere in the world not only in the �Islamic� countries.
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Amid the middle Reply with quote

I think geography plays a part , too. In many/most countries, the people in the "mid-section" of a nation tend to be (from my experience, anyway) more insular, more "xenophobic", more "suspicious" of strangers.
It's what I've experienced here in the States (I lived in Joplin, Missouri for a year), and, in Saudi Arabia, having lived 5 years in Jeddah and 14 in Riyadh, I can say that seemed to be generally the case there, as well.
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ghost



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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The more religious people, whether Muslims or Christians, are the more humble, peaceful, and fearful of God.


Really? Every time I meet a die hard Christian or Muslim, and tell them that I am agnostic, they either want to 'convert' me or 'save' me. It gets very tiring and irritating to deal with those people after a while.

Can't people just respect people for who they are and how they behave? Religion should be an option, not a must. I never try to 'convert' believers into becoming agnostic, although many would undoubtedly benefit from switching to agnostic mode.

At my Institute in Korea, we have a die hard Christian who insists on warning all the Koreans and native teachers that the 'world will end soon' and rambles on about '666' and 'Babylon' and on and on. I just pretend to listen when he goes on like that. It is basically unproven nonsense. What always astonishes me is that otherwise intelligent humans can show such misguided thinking in that particular arena (religious) of life.

Ghost in Korea
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