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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: university teaching jobs in Mexico? Reply with quote

I have a MA TESOL and have taught at universities in both Japan & Korea. 6 years university teaching experience.

What are the chances of someone like me finding a job teaching at a college or university in Mexico?

My passport is an American one..
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem but bring some money.

It's nowhere near as cushy as it is in Japan/Korea.

Uni jobs tend to pay only during the semester leaving you up to 3 months without pay (June, July, December).

Full-time jobs are hard to come by and heavily guarded by Mexicans.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're thinking of looking for a university job in Mexico, don't let the word "university" in the name of an institution of higher learning fool you. At least in Mexico City, in recent years, there's been a proliferation of so-called universities, often for-profit entities, which are nothing more than glorified trade schools, the trade being taught usually related to business administration, IT and the like.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheLongWayHome wrote:
No problem but bring some money.

It's nowhere near as cushy as it is in Japan/Korea.

Uni jobs tend to pay only during the semester leaving you up to 3 months without pay (June, July, December).

Full-time jobs are hard to come by and heavily guarded by Mexicans.

Figuring that I'm married and have a kid....that might be tough! (3 months without pay).

Just curious...what is a typical yearly salary? I'm not expecting Japan/Korea levels....but hopefully not too low either though.

How many teaching hours per week, generally?
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
TheLongWayHome wrote:
No problem but bring some money.

It's nowhere near as cushy as it is in Japan/Korea.

Uni jobs tend to pay only during the semester leaving you up to 3 months without pay (June, July, December).

Full-time jobs are hard to come by and heavily guarded by Mexicans.

Figuring that I'm married and have a kid....that might be tough! (3 months without pay).

Just curious...what is a typical yearly salary? I'm not expecting Japan/Korea levels....but hopefully not too low either though.

How many teaching hours per week, generally?

Due to the lack of full-time jobs, what most teachers (Mexicans included) end up doing is working in two or more unis as if you're not full-time, most places will give you say 20-25 hours. With that you can make up to $10,000 pesos a month (in one place, depending on your qualifications - some places will pay considerably more if you have a masters). I'd say to live comfortably in Mexico with a wife and kid, assuming your wife isn't going to work, you'd need about $15,000 to $18,000 a month, though it's possible to live on much less.

The reality of this is that you end up travelling a lot, you don't have time to prepare classes and you end up teaching up to 40 hours a week - not fun in my opinion.

There are other options, some colegios for example, pay well and you're only working in one place. If you can afford to be here for a while without working then that time would be well spent looking for leads to jobs like these and making contacts.

I honestly wouldn't bother with language schools, most are the domain of the monolingual backpacker that just needs to make beer money for the weekend; they pay them accordingly.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are other options, some colegios for example, pay well and you're only working in one place.


For the OP, please note that colegios are not colleges but rather private schools for children through the high school years.
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to look into the Oaxacan University system, or the ITESM system.

In the case of Oaxaca the (SUNEO) universities only hire full time professors, you have to be at work 40 hours a week, but teach 10 to 15 hours a week. The down side for someone with a family is the hours are a split shift and the locations are somewhat to rather remote.
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wildchild



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you have to be at work 40 hours a week


yup, you read that correctly: on campus, in the office, 40 hours a week...

personally, i couldn't handle that... especially with a wife and kids at home...

forget it.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildchild wrote:
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you have to be at work 40 hours a week


yup, you read that correctly: on campus, in the office, 40 hours a week...

personally, i couldn't handle that... especially with a wife and kids at home...

forget it.


Wildchild, I didn't realize you had a wife and kids....
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wildchild



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoulda trusted your intuition: no wife, no kids.

i was commenting about the idea of it...
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wildchild



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are other options, some colegios for example, pay well and you're only working in one place. If you can afford to be here for a while without working then that time would be well spent looking for leads to jobs like these and making contacts.


i would forget the Unis and take the advice above...

from what i've seen, better pay, better hours, paid vacations, benefits... etc.

though i would start contacting them NOW. if you don't land something for the fall, you can try again during winter break...

but keep in mind that setting things up from out-of-country might prove impossible... but that's not to say it hasn't been done before.
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Full-time univ positions Reply with quote

LWH made the point that full time, university professorships are coveted by Mexicans, and not often doled out to foreigners; but, I was just offered one, so it can happen.

Pay has been discussed on this forum, and the range of 15-20,000 pesos/month mentioned, as I recall, with the higher numbers reserved for those with graduate degrees.

For some universities, like the one I work at, the hiring cycle is already over, with the full time positions filled for the fall.

Profesor-Investigadores are required to teach two hours per day, four days per week, for a total of eight contact hours. They are expected to devote full time to their jobs, just as other posters have pointed out, making up the extra hours assisting students, attending meetings, doing research, and such other projects as may be assigned by the department head.

Native speakers fill the ranks of the part-timers, and are typically given just one course to teach, for which they are paid 120 pesos per contact hour: with jobs scarce, here in Cancun, those who have these positions tend to hang on to them.


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Solar Strength



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cancun, sweet! Must be nice to be set up in that area.

Go to the beach much?
How do you find your salary in a tourist destination like that? I would have thought it would be too expensive.
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be honest with you, Cancun is boring to live in. We like the beach, but when it's there all the time the charm wears off. There is little cultural life here, no symphony orchestra, no museums of note, no foreign films, no decent libraries, etc. If it weren't for work, I'd be bored to death.

We spent five days in Oaxaca at Christmas time and the contrast was stark and, yes, Cancun is expensive. Only Cabos is more expensive, according to the official data. IMSS has a hard time recruiting docs to come here, for that reason, and full time English teaching positions are few and far between, now. The flu outbreak seemed to crush the economy, here, and lots of teachers have simply left....

Don't get me started about Bangkok, because I love Bangkok, but it can get boring, too- unless you're single.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii, your description of Cancun mirrors what I imagine it would be like to live there. I hope that someday you'll find a decent job in a more interesting part of Mexico!
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