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MikeySaid



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
Posts: 509
Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Quitting... Reply with quote

So one teacher has already quit, and the word within the school is that the school likes to fire mid-year if it can because it saves them bonus money. I've felt uncomfortable here (at the school, the city and the people are just fine, it's ugly here, but I've got my girl) since arrival and this job is no longer good for me. I lose sleep, can't eat, and just plain don't want to go there in the morning.

But... I need to be here for the wedding planning and other such things. Anyone quit a job while down here in Mexico and then subsequently supported his or herself without an immediate replacement job (opportunities abount here in Torreon if you're a Mexican accountant, but Liberal Arts degrees don't get you too far).

Private lessons to adults?
Working from the net?

I want to leave (my job)... but I want to stay here. Catch 22.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure I'll be dismissed come Christmas anyways.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there only one language school there? If not, why don't you drop your resume at the others in the meantime?
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sambeckett



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Location: Mexico

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: TORREON Reply with quote

Hold the course. I know how rough it can be. I suffered teaching in Torreon for one year. Under Mexican Fedral law you are protected. If you are fired-you are entitled to approximately 3 to 4 months salary unless you are fired for a criminal or moral lapse. So hang in there. At least grab the Christmas bonus before you skate away.



Saludos cordiales,
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TheLongWayHome



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 1016
Location: San Luis Piojosi

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: TORREON Reply with quote

sambeckett wrote:
Hold the course. I know how rough it can be. I suffered teaching in Torreon for one year. Under Mexican Fedral law you are protected. If you are fired-you are entitled to approximately 3 to 4 months salary unless you are fired for a criminal or moral lapse. So hang in there. At least grab the Christmas bonus before you skate away.

I agree. There are all kinds of laws that protect the employee. Check out the local conciliacion, find out the laws, then let your employer know that you know your rights. This is a Mexican employers worst nightmare - someone who actually knows what they're entitled too. This is usually enough to make them brick it and pay you off. It is always less costly for them to pay you off than to get sued - fines are enormous.

Do you have seguro? If you don't and you've been there for more than 3 months full time, they're in big trouble. The fine for that one is huge if you take it further.

If you don't have a contract by law they have to pay you full-time wages.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would be assuming a teacher is working legally with an FM3, right?
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TheLongWayHome



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Location: San Luis Piojosi

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
This would be assuming a teacher is working legally with an FM3, right?

That's another problem, and huge fine for the employer, not the teacher if he doesn't have an FM3, isn't it?
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be both. The teacher will be fined for the time he has been working illegally and asked to leave the country.
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dixie



Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the others have said, you have rights and are protected. Don�t leave without getting what you are entitled to. The guy that was there and fired (the reason why I ended up there) had his contract paid out plus bonus.

There are two other schools in the area that I know of but I cannot for the life of me think of their names. I have a friend working at one right now. I could give you her email if you wanted to contact her. Just PM me.

As for private classes, I am not sure how great the market is, but you could certainly check it out. Business classes might be a market to get into as there are certainly a lot of factories and what not around there. I would imagine there are foreign workers (esp. Koreans) that might need English lessons (or have children who do).

Best of luck!
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TheLongWayHome



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: San Luis Piojosi

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dixie wrote:
As the others have said, you have rights and are protected. Don�t leave without getting what you are entitled to. The guy that was there and fired (the reason why I ended up there) had his contract paid out plus bonus.

This is what happens when you speak up. I think it's worth reiterating that just the threat of legal action or demonstrating that you know the law is usually enough to get a bent Mexican employer to throw cash at you. Failing that, the next best thing is to turn up with a lawyer. This has worked for me with a bent landlord.
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MikeySaid



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone care to expand on the paying out of the contract thing? Since I am on contract I'd like to know what my rights are.

I have my FM3... finally. They didnt even have us fill out any forms for the visa until we had been here almost two months. In fact... the school made all the new foreign teachers leave their classrooms two weeks ago to hide because someone from immigration came by and they were afraid they would get fined if any of us were discovered to be there without our visas already processed.

Keep in mind that this school has kept a tight grip on our passports since we arrived.... you nearly have to fight to get yours so you can go open an account at a video store. One girl tried to quit and was threatened by the administration with deportation.

They've been taking all sorts of deductions out of our checks... IMSS, and some others neither I nor my fiance's family understood.
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dixie



Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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Location: D.F

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you thought about anonymously reporting them (I don�t know who you do that to however!)?

The school pulled the same trick with me regarding my FM3. Because I arrived halfway through they year, and was leaving at the end, they attempted to not get me my FM3. They only did so once they received a gov�t letter that basically said I had to register / pay a fine or leave. This was in May, towards the end, so I only had about a month and a half left. Rolling Eyes

Legally I believe you are entitled to three months of your salary, plus any bonuses that your contract entitles you too. I think. If you check with the labour board there, they can help you. Whatever you do, DO NOT SIGN anything unitil someone you know/trust/who knows the laws takes a look at it and agrees it is on the up-and-up.
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TheLongWayHome



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: San Luis Piojosi

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeySaid wrote:
They've been taking all sorts of deductions out of our checks... IMSS, and some others neither I nor my fiance's family understood.

Did they send you to the IMSS to get the number? The number should be on the paycheck. It has 11 digits. Check that you really do have IMSS (on their website or the INFONAVIT website) as the fine is enormous for having workers without IMSS for longer than 3 months. This happened to my wife when she worked at a certain chain of schools. She threatened them, they bricked it and paid her off. Nothing compared with what the fine would have been but even so. The other deductions may be income tax but they're probably worth checking into too.
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MikeySaid



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. Never been to IMSS. One of the teachers who was here last year has never been. Hmmm.
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cangringo



Joined: 18 Jan 2007
Posts: 327
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question...what if you're only working part time and get fired with no notice. It's a prepa but there was a contract and FM3 and the whole works...do they owe anything or no because it was part time.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A contract is a contract.
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