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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Badly Dressed Reply with quote

For those of you in Mexico teaching, did you find that you brought the wrong type of clothes for both the climate and the workplace? I know this varies quite a bit around Mexico.
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Jetgirly



Joined: 17 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am teaching at a prepa. I brought clothes that would err on the too-professional side at a Canadian high school (knee-length skirts, lightweight blazers, heels, etc.) and I don't really "fit in" in the staff room. Sorry to say it, but most of my co-workers here wear suits... cheap, poorly-made, polyester suits. And blouses that are six sizes too small that gape at the bust, or that have big food stains down the front. I can tell that my wardrobe isn't looked upon highly, but I don't care. I'm not jamming my $300 "reserved for special work occasions" suits into a suitcase, dry cleaning them regularly, sweating in them more regularly, and putting them on only to get them covered with grease stains on the bus and chalk in the classroom.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, but I my job lined up in advance and received a lot of information about what is acceptable and the climate before I came.

Being on this end I find people often don't believe me when I tell them they will need a light jacket and a couple of sweaters. Laughing
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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that I came with the right type of clothes to begin with and I have just expanded my wardrobe. I usually wear a pair of cotton khakis with a short or long sleeved button down shirt without a tie. I usually wear casual dress leather shoes and try to keep them polished. I have a good collection of sweaters(for that Prof. look), jackets and coats for the weather.

I never wear shorts in public. No open-toe shoes or flip-flops either. I have enough dress shirts, ties, and dress pants to go an entire week as well as a 3 piece suit and a tuxedo.

For good measure I put a small Mexican flag pin on my lapel.
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GueroPaz



Joined: 07 Sep 2007
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Location: Thailand or Mexico

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It shows that Mexico is a country with the climates of an entire continent (other than Australia and Antarctica). I have now expanded my list of cities worth considering, to Merida, where even the January lows only average 14.

I would hope my Thai wardrobe is appropriate for the east coast: long cotton trousers, short and long sleeved dress shirts, hopefully without a tie; and black leather shoes, lace or loafers. If I get there and buy the Honda 250, a pair of short, black custom-made boots. And, if I could wear it under the helmet, a black leather sombrero, like I wore in Comitan!
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Guy Courchesne



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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry to say it, but most of my co-workers here wear suits... cheap, poorly-made, polyester suits.


Does your school provide them, or if covering the cost, do they encourage teachers to purchase them at a particular supplier? I ask because I've seen this at a large elementary school here in DF.
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The admin wear a "uniform" which is one particular suit with a different colored shirt each day (Monday is orange, Tuesday is blue, etc.) but I am talking about the teachers. The school doesn't buy or subsidize their clothing in any way.
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dixie



Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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Location: D.F

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where I work it depends on the teacher, and it depends on the day. You can be casual (jeans, and a blouse/nice shirt), or more professional (dress pants and blouse). Jackets and ties are on often worn here (unless it is upper admin).
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Phil_K



Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here so long that I only have about 3 items of clothing that I brought with me! But I did have to borrow a suit from my future bro-in-law for a wedding 3 weeks after arriving.

I only give a few classes now, but I dress smart/casual - dress pants, button collar shirt, no tie, shiny shoes etc. Smart suits, the full monty, for sales meetings - I have to be taken seriously!

I encourage my teachers to dress smart casual - I don't insist on jackets and tie. Feedback has taught me that the students don't mind this, but no way would I send a teacher dressed in jeans and t-shirt.
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hlamb



Joined: 09 Dec 2003
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Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school is pretty casual, too casual in some ways. Certain female teachers seem to be most comfortable in low cut shirts, which I think isn't appropriate at all. Most of us wear dress pants and a short sleeved blouse or button down shirt. I sometimes wear skirts because they're comfortable, but I'm the only one who does.

I didn't really bring the right clothes for my year in Veracruz but I would have sweated there no matter what I was wearing! I do much better in Cuernavaca.
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Oreen Scott



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Posts: 179
Location: Oaxaca, Mexico

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm originally from Vancouver, BC and didn't have a wardrobe for different seasons until I came to live in the great white north.

I dislike shopping for clothes, I would say I dislike clothes but it would create the impression I like walking around naked, which I do not.

From my research people do not wear shorts in Mexico. So I thought I'd bring blue jeans for casual wear.

As for work, three pair of black dress slacks and a few short sleeved blouses plus I've got a few dress jackets I could throw into my backpack/suitcase. Business casual I think is the style. If a school is looking for something other than business casual they can hire somone else.

Teachers in Winnipeg dress casual, forget business. So I'll dress-up compared to how I'm dressing here during my practicum, which is what I'm doing at the present time.

I'm bringing clothing for one season only. In spite of what Melee writes. It simply can't be as cold anywhere in the world as it is here.

Hope my wardrobe works, but I can't see worrying too much about spending alot of money on fancy duds when TEFL teachers are paid so poorly in Mexico.

Am I on the right track?
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oreen wrote:
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I'm bringing clothing for one season only. In spite of what Melee writes. It simply can't be as cold anywhere in the world as it is here.


The difference is that you have heat in your house in Winnipeg. You go in from outside and can get warm. Try living in a house with no heat, concrete walls and tile floors at 4 or 5 C. We don't have heat in our houses where I live and in fact we couldn't even buy an electric heater locally. I grew up in the Yukon and believe me, I know cold. The difference is heaters, so if you can't get warm it's unbearable.

The tourists here are complaining about the cold, saying their hotel rooms resemble meat-lockers (no heat, tile floors). It gets warm during the daytime, but at night that all changes when the sun sets and the ocean breezes whip up. Inland Mexico at higher elevations would be even chillier! Bone-chilling is how I describe our current winter and I am so glad to have a ski-jacket and sweaters from Canada to wear in the evenings.


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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oreen Scott wrote:

I'm bringing clothing for one season only. In spite of what Melee writes. It simply can't be as cold anywhere in the world as it is here.


The important thing to remember on this note is that most of the buildings have no artifical climate control, either to heat or cool them. So when it's 10�C outside, it's pretty close to 10�C INSIDE as well. Not exactly sundress weather. It does warm up midday year-round. But you may find yourself with 7am classes.
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Oreen Scott



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Location: Oaxaca, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have discussed, and experienced, this very topic of north vs. south on cool January mornings with the proprietor of a B&B in Key West Florida who would say, "Welcome to paradise." every morning, then open all the windows and doors. I'd freeze.

Yes, the morning is cool. Yes, it does warm up. a fuzzy long house robe and thermal socks will do the trick, I imagine. As long as some fool native doesn't come along and open all the doors and windows.

According to the proprietor of the B&B those of us from the North suffer more on those cool mornings because we are use to heated homes.

That being said, I still believe I can leave my Sorel boots and long winter coat at home.

I've noticed on some of the Mexican hotel web sites calefaci�n is noted, appealing to us northern folk I assume.

Samantha I have just learned is yet another Canadian on this forum.

So, I'm now wondering, who isn't Canadian? (Not that it really matters, it's just surprising how many Canadians are here)
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not Canadian, but I play one on TV.

Oreen Scott wrote:
As long as some fool native doesn't come along and open all the doors and windows.

You've jumped to the conclusion that the doors and windows are made in such a way as to keep the outside out...
...that is not the case, most mearly shift the direction of the draft, rather than actually block it.
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