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[tosr]

My brother wants to teach in Taiwan but doesn't have a degree, only a tefl cert. Is it possible to get a work visa or do you need the degree? (he can't work on a tourist visa as he has a non working wife and kid, so it wouldnt be practical to fly them all to HK every couple of months).

Paul

[clark.w.griswald]

The short answer is 'No'. Sorry.

[tosr]

Ok, tx for letting me know.

[Jared]

[SanChong]

No, you cannot work legally without a degree.

[ghost]

While it is true that the degree is necessary if you want to be 'legal' in the eyes of the Taiwan Ministry of Education, the individual without a degree could still come and work in Taiwan without a degree, and come in on a two month tourist visa, exiting the country every two months...after that.

And if anyone wants the jobs ghost works at, ghost will be leaving in May 2006, so anyone willing (and able) is welcome to take over (in Taichung and Shalu)...both jobs involve teaching adult conversation with pay in the NT600-NT650 range.

Ghost in Taichung, Taiwan

[tosr]

"Ask Solar Strength. He knows more about it. Or you can ask Aristotle"

Will do, tx

[clark.w.griswald]

I would be interested in what information it is that Solar Strength and Aristotle have on this situation.

The question seems pretty clear to me. Someone wants to get a work permit to teach in Taiwan without a degree. This is clearly not possible so what is the alternative that is being suggested?

[Miyazaki]

[clark.w.griswald]

My answer to Miyazaki's post can be seen here:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=35131

It is an issue of practicality not theoretical concerns.

[wood]

The question was about someone without a degree getting a work visa. I believe the original poster mentioned something about his brother not being able to work on a tourist visa. Sure, it can be done. But the question wasn't about that.

The answer is NO. Can't get a work visa.

Yes, he can work illegally. But that isn't really answering the question, is it?

[Miyazaki]

[Serious_Fun]

ni men hao:

...is it possible to get a degree without a work permit??



But seriously...an educator will, almost on a daily basis, make what have been called "educational prescriptions" for students. A certain standing in the community results from the respect that a genuine educator earns. Ethics demand that educators rise above the petty fraud and B.S.

Why would anyone advertise the fact that they are willing to violate rules/regulations/laws in order to find an educator's position? It seems to me that this behavior is antithetical to how a genuine educator would act.

I realize that these schools are businesses, and that the ESL/EFL teacher is, in the eyes of many school directors/owners, just an employee (or worse?)...but those are not reasons to flaunt the laws of your host country.

I am not naive -- I have been burned by a school in Asia (as I related on previous posts here). But I am an idealist still: a genuine educator must not sink to the level of the frauds who give ESL/EFL teachers a bad reputation.

Having written that, I understand how a "backpacker" might be thrilled to earn some money for a few months while working as an English conversation teacher...but a certain standard must be applied or everyone will be forced to accept the lowest common denominator.

BTW: this is not meant to deride Tosr's brother. I'm sure that he is a good person....but he must "pay his dues"...at least earn a 2 year Associate's degree. Then he can command more respect and more pay!

end of pontification. xie xie

[clark.w.griswald]

[Miyazaki]