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InTime
Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 1676 Location: CHINA-at-large
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: Seeking Suggestions:FT Conference/Job Fair/West Lake/May 1-2 |
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FT Folks, I've been asked to help develop a non-profit FT Conference/Job Fair in Hangzhou, at Zhejiang U. for ChinaTEFL, on May 1 and 2. They'll also be inviting FAOs and Chinese teachers of English.
We'll be having Workshops/Demonstrations/Discussion Sessions,
as well as tours of West Lake, and social events in the evenings.
We'd welcome any constructive input from y'all, posted on this Thread
For further INFO, EMail me.
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vikuk

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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It could be fun if a few Davesters could meet up at events like this - discussing FT'ing face to face - proving actual human entities existed behind those anonymous keyboards!!!!! |
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arioch36
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Do we wear nametags? |
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arioch36
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Helen Tefl I presume |
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ispeakgoodenglish
Joined: 07 May 2007 Posts: 177 Location: Guangzhou, North of the Zhujiang
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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I have a couple of ideas for them.... I believe they are reasonable.
1, Ask the FAOs to set minimum FT wages of at least 7000 plus housing and airfare in all the small towns and 12000 plus housing and airfare in the cities (negotiable of course).
2, Reimburse all applicants their travel expenses to-from Hangzhou for the job fair when they walk in the door to a reasonable amount (eg, 3000 kuai). Even with the shorter holiday it will still cost more than normal to get there and back. |
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Shan-Shan

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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englishgibson
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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OP, are we invited
FAOs should deffinitely be a focus and improving FTs working conditions should be on the agenda, however i bet they're gona be there on a fishing trip
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It could be fun if a few Davesters could meet up at events like this - discussing FT'ing face to face - proving actual human entities existed behind those anonymous keyboards!!!!! |
cheers and beers |
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vikuk

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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FAOs should deffinitely be a focus and improving FTs working conditions should be on the agenda, however i bet they're gona be there on a fishing trip |
Well I suppose it's up to to the people attending to set their own agendas. You want to act fish - you want to sniff the bait - you want to get caught - then that's your own business.
But then again, if you want to meet up with other FT's, talk EFL, just socialize and indeed say balls to all the recruiting stuff - well it don't matter who organizes this thing.
However what happens to you at any Ft conference/job fair does depend on what kinda person you are. If you're so weak willed, and fear that by attending you'll be easy recruiter meat ("ohhhh lordy I just felt I had to say yes to that 2000/month/60 hours/week job - the man wouldn't take no for an answer") - well I dont suppose any FT get together would be a safe place for you  |
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vikuk

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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1, Ask the FAOs to set minimum FT wages of at least 7000 plus housing and airfare in all the small towns and 12000 plus housing and airfare in the cities (negotiable of course). |
I suppose if FT's really want to show a common stance on the subject of standards - then getting face to face to voice opinion and discuss technique seems a pretty good way of going about this task.
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2, Reimburse all applicants their travel expenses to-from Hangzhou for the job fair when they walk in the door to a reasonable amount (eg, 3000 kuai). Even with the shorter holiday it will still cost more than normal to get there and back. |
biggest problem with holding any FT day in China is the sheer size of the country. Put on to that the decision to hold this do during the May holiday rush - have to admit that just makes the traveling thing even more of a pain.
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Helen Tefl I presume |
Gotta laugh again!!! This lady must be some dragon - she going to dominate the whole weekend? Do FT's have to ask for permission before they open their mouths
My Ideas for any FT conference - lots of workshops and public discussion  |
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Shan-Shan

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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If you're interested in attending a workshop without the China TEFL brand stamped on the stationary, have a look here:
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For the many TESL-L members who are in China, you should know that Jack Richards is coming to China at the end of this month. He is the author of many great books about language teaching as well as many coursebooks including Cambridge University Press' (CUP) Interchange 3(formerly called New Interchange).
CUP is oganizing the seminar and he will be giving a talk on Communicative Language Teaching Today. It's also a great opportunity to put your language learning questions and problems to one of the world's top experts. He will be joined by Joleen Manning, CUP's National Trainer, who will talk on Practical Teaching Skills. The seminar is free but you should register as sometimes space fills upfast. Below is the schedule and contact information:
Mar 22, Beijing, Contact: Mr. Li Yi, 010-88819877, 13718096469
Mar 23, Jinan, Contact: Mr. Bai Zhiyong, 010-88819870, 13683366208
Mar 26, Xi'an, Contact: Ms. Mao Liping, 010-88819872, 13521509016
Mar 28, Changsha, Contact: Ms. Hu Yujie, 010-88819985, 13811710634
Mar 30, Guangzhou, Contact: Mr. Li Zhiyong, 010-88819871, 13521449133
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Lobster

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 2040 Location: Somewhere under the Sea
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with FAOs using it as a recruiting opportunity. They could help pay the FTs hotel bills and travel expenses and set up booths.
The problem with every "conference" I've attended here is that it becomes nothing more than a series of talks or lectures by those wishing to promote their latest research/theory/idea/book/program. No workshops, no social activities outside of meals, no question periods, no displays and no interaction. It' was just a lot of pedantic blah blah blah. The last featured an American speaker talking about the role of Spanish in US schools. He'd never been to China before and had no idea about what was going on here. It was an interesting and well-presented lecture, but only superficially dealt with EFL in China. Another speaker, Chinese, actually did talk a lot about the Chinese education system, but the translation was so poor that I just couldn't follow him.
So, if you want to have a better conference, keep all that in mind. I see you've already got some of it covered. I'd love to attend and give a workshop to Chinese teachers about how to make a content-based PPT without cutesy animations and silly sound effects and transitions.
Make sure you know exactly what the purpose of the conference is; not just a general 'sharing of ideas'. Prepare a rubric and goals and analyse to determine how well those goals were met. Oh yea, make sure there's lots of free booze! Good luck!
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arioch36
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Lobster
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The problem with every "conference" I've attended here is that it becomes nothing more than a series of talks or lectures by those wishing to promote their latest research/theory/idea/book/program |
You are so on the money. And if you have done "research" in the States (or, UK etc) the "research" is so sloppy, it would never be accepted back home.
traveling during May Holiday??? That is a problem. Of course, quite likely, we will be working that saturday to make up the friday which covers the monday class which was to be on Sunday so we could have a three day holiday |
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vikuk

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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You are so on the money. And if you have done "research" in the States (or, UK etc) the "research" is so sloppy, it would never be accepted back home. |
Arioch - I would be interested in hearing more about the conferences you've attended - and about the kind of talks you've heard at them. The ones that have cited sloppy research. What kind of research was it? Why did you feel it was sloppy? Did you feel it was inappropriate to lecture on this research at a China FT conference - did other attending FT's feel the same way?
I feel that talks and workshops for China FT's would be very valuable if they came from other experienced China FT's, who could exchange techniques, skills and viewpoints that would be relevant to the special problems encountered within China EFL!!!!
But then again if us FT's don't come up with new ideas and techniques that push towards countering those China EFL problems - then I don't suppose many folk will take us seriously. I suppose in such circumstances we have to rely on outside help 
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arioch36
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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One in particular was in Shanghai # yeras ago ... maybe annual? If seriously interested I would only mention names via PM. Unfortunately I have found that the biggest talkers ofsharing ideas and exchanging are the most intolerant of anything said that is contradictory to them, or asks them to support what they have to say. This refers more directly to "presentations of theories" as opposed to actual teaching techniques, computer skils handy for the teacher to learn, and the such. Don't want to start any wars here.
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I feel that talks and workshops for China FT's would be very valuable if they came from other experienced China FT's, who could exchange techniques, skills and viewpoints that would be relevant to the special problems encountered within China EFL |
Yes. IF. There was (annual) a conference in Kunming, if I believe, that I was interested in because I knew, by internet or other ways heard of what a few of the presenters/organizers had to say about education
Of course, if we were Chinese, our school would pay us to go to such a conference. Wonder what would happen if we asked to be paid to attend suh a conference? Wonder what the FAo's attending would do if some of there laowai asked to be paid to go to the West Lake gig.
I would love to share, and get feedback and honest dialogue in a real workshop environment of my pet theories over the past 7 years in China. But .. no, I think I will just say good night |
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vikuk

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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I would love to share, and get feedback and honest dialogue in a real workshop environment of my pet theories over the past 7 years in China. But .. no, I think I will just say good night |
Hey Arioch I'd love to hear your pet theories. How would you advise anybody who wanted to organize a conference about setting up a real workshop environment? What is the difference between a real and fake workshop environment?
I wish you a good nights sleep - and look forward to your waking tomorrow. |
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