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FM3 or permanent resident card?

 
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: FM3 or permanent resident card? Reply with quote

My wife is Mexican but I'm a gringo. I'm wanting to just get my FM3 when I get to DF and get a job, but my wife says maybe she could apply to get my permanent resident card. I'm thinking to just do the FM3 because I'm not sure how long I would have to wait to work if my wife tries to get my PR card first.

Any wisdom on this?
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're wife is a permanent resident of the US right? I think she is mistaking US INS policies/percedures for Mexican ones. As far as I know there is no "Permanent Resident CARD" or any CARD of any type you can get. You can apply for an FM2(or FM3) based on being a spouse of a Mexican. An FM3 is non-immigrant resident with freedom to come and go as often and as long as you like. An FM2 is a immigrant resident and there is a maximum amount of time you can be outside of Mexico. This FM2 does not allow you to work freely, but you will still have to have any lucrative activities approved by immigration and noted in your FM2 booklet. After 5 years on an FM2 you can apply for immigrado status.

After two years in Mexico on either an FM2 or FM3 you can apply for citizenship based on your marriage if you so desire.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:
As far as I know there is no "Permanent Resident CARD" or any CARD of any type you can get.

Yes, there is. It's like a green card but in Mexico it's brown. It gives you permanent residence and you can get it after you complete the 5 or so renewals of the FM2.

If I were you I'd get the FM3. It's $1000 pesos cheaper than an FM2 and it doesn't require your wife's signature. The FM2 has more restrictions as to how much time you can be out of Mexico for.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks longwayhome and MELEE. I'll stick with my original plan of getting the FM3 work visa. I'm assuming those can be renewed every year for as long as you live in Mexico, correct??

I may just keep renewing it every year. Sounds like that's the easiest way.

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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like I'll just do the old FM3 on my own with the school I will be working for and leave my wife out of it for the first two years then if I want, I may try to do some changes. Then again I may just keep getting another FM3 every year.

Here's a question I'm wondering if anyone can answer. Our marriage isn't recognized in Mexico yet.Only the States. My wife will need to do whatever it is they do in Mexico for the government to recognize our marriage legally.

We were only married by the church in Mexico. So, anyone know how long this process would take? My wife (A Mexican) wanting our marriage recognized legally in Mexico.

Personally I don't think this is very important since I'll be using an FM3 but she's curious.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfurgers wrote:

We were only married by the church in Mexico. So, anyone know how long this process would take? My wife (A Mexican) wanting our marriage recognized legally in Mexico.

Personally I don't think this is very important since I'll be using an FM3 but she's curious.


Before you leave Texas go to or send your marriage certicate/licence to Austin to the secretary of state's office (that is if you were married in Texas) and get an Apostille on it. Then once you are in Mexico you're wife will take that to the civil registry. It sould only take as long as the wait in line...
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks MELEE. We were married in Kentucky in 1997 and the marriage certificate was apostilled by the state of Kentucky in 97 so I'm hoping it will still work since it was so long ago.
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GueroPaz



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of marital status and Austin, Texas....I got divorced there in 1985 or 1785. Do the Mexicans need proof of that, too? If I go to Austin to get my degree apostilled, should I also get a copy of my divorce from family court and get that apostilled?
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GueroPaz wrote:
Speaking of marital status and Austin, Texas....I got divorced there in 1985 or 1785. Do the Mexicans need proof of that, too? If I go to Austin to get my degree apostilled, should I also get a copy of my divorce from family court and get that apostilled?

Yes, if you're planning to get married in Mexico you'll need the divorce papers. Not sure if they have to be apostilled but you can never have too many apostiles.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GP I assume you never changed you lastname.

If any ladies are reading this who have been married and divorced make sure you have porper legal notification of name changes handy, as Mexicans get all confused and may even think you are trying to pass someone else's degree off as your own if you have documents with different lastnames on them.
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Mrs L



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Know it's a longtime since last post on this thread but wanted to respond to jfurgers Q about getting your American marriage recognised in Mex. Here in UK the Mexican consolate offers a births, marriages, deaths registry for all Mexicans resident here. It's free of charge to get it registered, you just need to pay you you want a certificate.
Don't know if it's the same situation in the States, or if 10+ years after your marriage is a bit late but it's worth looking into...if you're not already down in Mexico.
Good luck Very Happy
PS Would be interested to know how the FM3 thing works out for you with being married to a local, and if it's true you can apply for citizenship after 2 years in the country. When I've enquired about citizenship because of my marriage all I've been told is how to become an 'economic dependent'. Assuming that means I can't work, not very useful!!
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our Canadian marriage certificate didn't have to be apostilled, if I recall correctly (so long ago!) but we did have to present a translation into Spanish by a certified Mexican translator (traductor perito). We (a Mexican and a Canadian) presented the original and translation of the Canadian marriage certificate at the Registro Civil and got the document that proved that our marriage was registered in Mexico from that point on.

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notamiss



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs L., this is the legal backing for a foreigner married to a Mexican being able to apply for Mexican nationality after 2 years. http://www.sre.gob.mx/tramites/nacionalidad/leynacionalidad.htm#III The part that applies is Cap�tulo III, Art�culo 19 & Articulo 20-II. If anyone wants a translation into English of same, I will post it.

Re TheLongWayHome, Jan. 11, about the permanent resident card, it's not the card that gives you permanent residence status, rather what happens is that after 5 years of an FM2 with annual renewals, it can't be renewed any more and you have to apply for inmigrado status. When it is granted, you are no longer an inmigrante; you have become an inmigrado. I went through that, but it's annotated in my FM2 visa booklet, and I don't have a card, but that doesn't make any difference; I do have the inmigrado status.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs L wrote:
Here in UK the Mexican consolate offers a births, marriages, deaths registry for all Mexicans resident here. It's free of charge to get it registered, you just need to pay you you want a certificate.


I wish it were like that in the States. I had to pay $30.00 to have a dept in the state of Kentucky to get two copies of my marriage license, have a live signature put on both, then mail them to me. Once I got them in the mail and made sure they both had a live signature, I had to mail them to another dept in Kentucky to get apostilled. That cost $5.00 each. Crying or Very sad

At least I have them now and my degree also! I'm almost ready to leave for beautiful DF.
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