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annabelle111
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 Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Working at home- Need some advice |
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Currently I am teaching in Spain, however my program is ending and home is calling me pretty hard. How realistic is it for me to teach at home? And where? San Diego or San Francisco are my first choices being a California girl. What can I expect to make? Is it even realistic to think I can support myself on just teaching? Will a TEFL or TESOL month long program and a year of experience be enough to get hired? Or do I need an MA (Actually I want one...)Please help I am somewhat of a newbie! And really hoping that I can make this work because I LOVE my job...
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Chancellor
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Working at home- Need some advice |
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| annabelle111 wrote: |
Currently I am teaching in Spain, however my program is ending and home is calling me pretty hard. How realistic is it for me to teach at home? And where? San Diego or San Francisco are my first choices being a California girl. What can I expect to make? Is it even realistic to think I can support myself on just teaching? Will a TEFL or TESOL month long program and a year of experience be enough to get hired? Or do I need an MA (Actually I want one...)Please help I am somewhat of a newbie! And really hoping that I can make this work because I LOVE my job...
Thanks for your help in advance. |
If you want to teach in the government indoctrination centers (public schools), you're going to need the required teacher certification for the state in which you hope to teach. With your present qualifications and experience, you might be able to get into a private school or some private company that provides ESL to adults. |
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006
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Location: Russia
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Working at home- Need some advice |
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| annabelle111 wrote: |
Currently I am teaching in Spain, however my program is ending and home is calling me pretty hard. How realistic is it for me to teach at home? And where? San Diego or San Francisco are my first choices being a California girl. What can I expect to make? Is it even realistic to think I can support myself on just teaching? Will a TEFL or TESOL month long program and a year of experience be enough to get hired? Or do I need an MA (Actually I want one...)Please help I am somewhat of a newbie! And really hoping that I can make this work because I LOVE my job...
Thanks for your help in advance. |
If you want to teach in the government indoctrination centers (public schools), you're going to need the required teacher certification for the state in which you hope to teach. With your present qualifications and experience, you might be able to get into a private school or some private company that provides ESL to adults. |
I went through all that, got my cert, and found public schools intolerable. Now I still have a few grand to pay off in loans for a teaching cert no one cares about here. They are indeed indoctrination centers. Read Gatto before plunging into public education. It's hard to call him a quack with his credentials.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/ |
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annabelle111
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: What about private teaching? |
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To be honest, I don't have much interest in teaching public schools.
What kind of qualifications or experience do I need to teach at a language school or a private school? Is teaching English abroad the only feasible way to make a living doing it? |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: What about private teaching? |
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| annabelle111 wrote: |
To be honest, I don't have much interest in teaching public schools.
What kind of qualifications or experience do I need to teach at a language school or a private school? Is teaching English abroad the only feasible way to make a living doing it? |
Try this list:
http://www.esl-guide.com/dir/california/index.html
Here's another resource that lists 134 schools in California alone:
http://www.esldirectory.com/ |
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Chancellor
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Working at home- Need some advice |
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| rusmeister wrote: |
| Chancellor wrote: |
| annabelle111 wrote: |
Currently I am teaching in Spain, however my program is ending and home is calling me pretty hard. How realistic is it for me to teach at home? And where? San Diego or San Francisco are my first choices being a California girl. What can I expect to make? Is it even realistic to think I can support myself on just teaching? Will a TEFL or TESOL month long program and a year of experience be enough to get hired? Or do I need an MA (Actually I want one...)Please help I am somewhat of a newbie! And really hoping that I can make this work because I LOVE my job...
Thanks for your help in advance. |
If you want to teach in the government indoctrination centers (public schools), you're going to need the required teacher certification for the state in which you hope to teach. With your present qualifications and experience, you might be able to get into a private school or some private company that provides ESL to adults. |
I went through all that, got my cert, and found public schools intolerable. Now I still have a few grand to pay off in loans for a teaching cert no one cares about here. They are indeed indoctrination centers. Read Gatto before plunging into public education. It's hard to call him a quack with his credentials.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/ |
I have a passing familiarity with Gatto's work. Here in New York State, the teachers' union is so powerful that they were able to stop the state budget from getting voted on with their attempt to get tenure decisions taken out of the hands of local schools and school districts and to remove student performance as a criterion. |
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rusmeister
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Working at home- Need some advice |
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| Chancellor wrote: |
| rusmeister wrote: |
| Chancellor wrote: |
| annabelle111 wrote: |
Currently I am teaching in Spain, however my program is ending and home is calling me pretty hard. How realistic is it for me to teach at home? And where? San Diego or San Francisco are my first choices being a California girl. What can I expect to make? Is it even realistic to think I can support myself on just teaching? Will a TEFL or TESOL month long program and a year of experience be enough to get hired? Or do I need an MA (Actually I want one...)Please help I am somewhat of a newbie! And really hoping that I can make this work because I LOVE my job...
Thanks for your help in advance. |
If you want to teach in the government indoctrination centers (public schools), you're going to need the required teacher certification for the state in which you hope to teach. With your present qualifications and experience, you might be able to get into a private school or some private company that provides ESL to adults. |
I went through all that, got my cert, and found public schools intolerable. Now I still have a few grand to pay off in loans for a teaching cert no one cares about here. They are indeed indoctrination centers. Read Gatto before plunging into public education. It's hard to call him a quack with his credentials.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/ |
I have a passing familiarity with Gatto's work. Here in New York State, the teachers' union is so powerful that they were able to stop the state budget from getting voted on with their attempt to get tenure decisions taken out of the hands of local schools and school districts and to remove student performance as a criterion. |
It's kind of amazing that in the 19th century (in the Eastern US this would be mostly pre-Indust. Rev. and prior to compulsory schooling) on the whole teachers were just educated people with the time and inclination (and sometimes lack of other skills) to work with children. Of course they had to know things.
In spite of that (the teacher's unions really don't want this advertised) a great number of people achieved higher levels of education in real terms (performance testing, not degrees) than they do today. A simple test is to read what was written by educated people in the 18th and 19th centuries. Far from being ignoramuses, they turn out to be far more educated, often doing it only part-time or spare time, than most college seniors today - people who have had nothing to do for 16-17 years but go to school.
If you read Frederick Douglass's autobiography (an escaped slave who gave himself athe equivalent of a college level education) http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literature/Douglass/Autobiography/ or Laura Ingall's story and see the copy of the teaching certificate issued to a 16-year-old, who knew more about history and sentence diagramming than a lot of kids today do, or take a look at the McGuffy Reader - a standard before modern public schools introduced Dick and Jane to dumb down the populace and later made Dr Seuss out to look like a class-one genius, you begin to realize that the myth that we know more and are better educated than our great-grandparents is just that - a myth. But then, what teenager doesn't want to think that they know more than their parents?
The teacher's unions have a vested interest in making teaching look as difficult as brain surgery. We're seeing an insane wave in the modern world of shifting trust in caring for the welfare and education of kids from their parents to the state. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Working at home- Need some advice |
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| rusmeister wrote: |
It's kind of amazing that in the 19th century (in the Eastern US this would be mostly pre-Indust. Rev. and prior to compulsory schooling) on the whole teachers were just educated people with the time and inclination (and sometimes lack of other skills) to work with children. Of course they had to know things.
In spite of that (the teacher's unions really don't want this advertised) a great number of people achieved higher levels of education in real terms (performance testing, not degrees) than they do today. A simple test is to read what was written by educated people in the 18th and 19th centuries. Far from being ignoramuses, they turn out to be far more educated, often doing it only part-time or spare time, than most college seniors today - people who have had nothing to do for 16-17 years but go to school.
If you read Frederick Douglass's autobiography (an escaped slave who gave himself athe equivalent of a college level education) http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literature/Douglass/Autobiography/ or Laura Ingall's story and see the copy of the teaching certificate issued to a 16-year-old, who knew more about history and sentence diagramming than a lot of kids today do, or take a look at the McGuffy Reader - a standard before modern public schools introduced Dick and Jane to dumb down the populace and later made Dr Seuss out to look like a class-one genius, you begin to realize that the myth that we know more and are better educated than our great-grandparents is just that - a myth. But then, what teenager doesn't want to think that they know more than their parents?
The teacher's unions have a vested interest in making teaching look as difficult as brain surgery. We're seeing an insane wave in the modern world of shifting trust in caring for the welfare and education of kids from their parents to the state. |
I've heard teachers complain that the public doesn't consider them to be professionals on par with doctors and lawyers and they appear to be pushing for such a designation.
But getting back to the original poster's query, I think she should look to the private language schools, though I suspect the state governments will get their grubby hands on those too. |
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rusmeister
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Working at home- Need some advice |
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It's kind of amazing that in the 19th century (in the Eastern US this would be mostly pre-Indust. Rev. and prior to compulsory schooling) on the whole teachers were just educated people with the time and inclination (and sometimes lack of other skills) to work with children. Of course they had to know things.
In spite of that (the teacher's unions really don't want this advertised) a great number of people achieved higher levels of education in real terms (performance testing, not degrees) than they do today. A simple test is to read what was written by educated people in the 18th and 19th centuries. Far from being ignoramuses, they turn out to be far more educated, often doing it only part-time or spare time, than most college seniors today - people who have had nothing to do for 16-17 years but go to school.
If you read Frederick Douglass's autobiography (an escaped slave who gave himself athe equivalent of a college level education) http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literature/Douglass/Autobiography/ or Laura Ingall's story and see the copy of the teaching certificate issued to a 16-year-old, who knew more about history and sentence diagramming than a lot of kids today do, or take a look at the McGuffy Reader - a standard before modern public schools introduced Dick and Jane to dumb down the populace and later made Dr Seuss out to look like a class-one genius, you begin to realize that the myth that we know more and are better educated than our great-grandparents is just that - a myth. But then, what teenager doesn't want to think that they know more than their parents?
The teacher's unions have a vested interest in making teaching look as difficult as brain surgery. We're seeing an insane wave in the modern world of shifting trust in caring for the welfare and education of kids from their parents to the state. |
I've heard teachers complain that the public doesn't consider them to be professionals on par with doctors and lawyers and they appear to be pushing for such a designation.
But getting back to the original poster's query, I think she should look to the private language schools, though I suspect the state governments will get their grubby hands on those too. |
Well, if you're familiar with the recent move in the California Appeals Court to outlaw homeschooling unless a certified teacher was teaching, you can see that it's not an enormous leap to applying the same principle to private schools. And if CA pushes it through, other states are likely to follow. The family is becoming weaker and weaker and the state is becoming stronger and stronger. Extremist idiots like those in Texas only justify the state taking more and more rights away from ALL parents and having the state determine how children will be raised. |
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sierramarina
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Working at home- Need some advice |
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| annabelle111 wrote: |
Currently I am teaching in Spain, however my program is ending and home is calling me pretty hard. How realistic is it for me to teach at home? And where? San Diego or San Francisco are my first choices being a California girl. What can I expect to make? Is it even realistic to think I can support myself on just teaching? Will a TEFL or TESOL month long program and a year of experience be enough to get hired? Or do I need an MA (Actually I want one...)Please help I am somewhat of a newbie! And really hoping that I can make this work because I LOVE my job...
Thanks for your help in advance. |
I am presently living and working in SoCal, but it's not easy. I am working at a private academy where half the time I teach SAT prep to High School kids and the other half of the time I get to teach English. I have a BA and a CELTA with a couple years experience tutoring/teaching EFL outside the US.
I recommend you get your M.A. This will allow you to work at community colleges and be more appealing to private academies. You will most likely have to teach other subjects to supplement your income. The major language academies out here do NOT pay enough to pay the rent. I teach at two academies for $25/hr and I found them on craigslist.com but I rarely get more than 20 hours per week.
Whatever happens do NOT get out of practice! Even if you volunteer an hour of ESL at your local college or community center- schools love to see that you do it for the love of it - plus this will begin your networking in your local ESL community. |
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