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striiive4more
Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Best China Progams? |
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Of the many China Progams which are best? I have heard some many differing opinions about so many programs....its hard to know what programs generally have a better reputation than others. For instance, WorldTeach seems like a highly used program, but has many bad reviews. Which ones are the best ones? |
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striiive4more
Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: Providences |
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Which providences are the best to teach in? |
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lf_aristotle69
Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 546 Location: HangZhou, China
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: Making a difference... |
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askawino wrote: |
WorldTeach is run out of Harvard University, used to be student run. A third party of a third party and now use alot of third party chinese recruiters to do their placements. I havent heard anything bad about them though. Just that they really cant help out if there are problems. Oh, they do alot of placements in Hunan too.. Most of them. |
I haven't heard bad reviews about them either.
BUT, I don't see why you want to pay them money to do EXACTLY the same jobs as you could get by replying to the job ads here on Daves and elsewhere by yourself ESPECIALLY in China. And, your salary will be lower than industry standard to boot!
When I was in HuNan a couple of years ago I had some friends who were there on World Teach programs. They didn't say it was bad. They liked the preparation course and the 'comrades in arms' nature of going over en masse (but you might be sent to a place all by yourself when you get your teaching placement, though they did have reunions every now and again).
However, it's not like they were bringing education to poverty stricken children, they were just in regular schools (and the 'town' we were in had over a 0.5 million people, and was quite the bustling place). In fact one of the World Teach guys even took a job away from another old friend of mine. My old friend got back from overseas after the summer holiday and got told to move out of his on campus apartment and the job he thought he had lined up was given to the World Teach guy who was paid 1/2 - 2/3 salary. They were both nice guys, so were friends afterwards anyway.
The advantage for schools is that they save money by hiring World Teach teachers, but this ends up cutting away at the general ESL teachers' market rates for those of us who take it seriously, it's not just some gap year thing for us.
In fact, it turned out that after my World Teach friend finished his 1st World Teach contract he could have continued on with another contract, but instead he bargained directly with the school and got 2 or 3 times as much! And, he was doing the same job.
There are other programs in China that have minimal, refundable, or nil fees. You're better off with one of those. Some even have above, or at, market rate salaries.
And, some actually do benefit students in truely poor villages.
Here's an alternative to WorldTeach, that purports to benefit poor communities... whether that's true, or not, I can't say. Also, you have to pay for your own flights etc, and basically come out even on the low salary plus free accommodation...
http://www.culturalextremes.com/rural_china_project.htm
Good luck and enjoy China.
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lf_aristotle69
Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 546 Location: HangZhou, China
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Providences |
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striiive4more wrote: |
Which providences are the best to teach in? |
Provinces...
Do some G00GLE searches on China and teaching here, and also general research here by searching on the old threads of Daves ESL Cafe...
Get a feel for the different areas of China yourself first, that will give you some perspective on what we tell you.
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Anda

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: Um |
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Here is one place that pays you while you teach students from poor homes. Here in China you will get used if you are not careful. For instance school managements in government public schools will charge around 50,000 RMB for a government teaching position to a newly graduated teacher. If you do not get paid someone at a management level will be putting so much extra into their own pocket. There is no difference between government and private enterprise in China.
If you want to help poor students then get a paid position and give your salary away to poor students. This way you will be helping the poor instead of the rich parasites in management positions. Don't give your money to beggers as they usually will not work if they are given the chance. Beggers make more money than most factory workers. Help poor workers if you have the chance.
One of my students has a mother who works month in month out standing for 10 hours a day in a bolt & nut factory with no days off for 1,000 RMB a month. Her father does the same. You might think that most students from poor homes would study like mad to get ahead but this is not the case. Most have a defeatist attitude as only about 30% to 40% will find a good job after college / university and they know it. The rich kids think that their parents will support them for life so not much luck with many of them also. Expect about 30% to be into study.
Your living costs here in China will cost you 2,000 to 3,000 RMB a month these days as costs are going up here quickly. Sure you can live like a local for about 700 RMB a month but do you want to have a dog�s life?
The best agency isn't a valid question as each placement will be different so it becomes a roll of the dice. Good luck.
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The_Hanged_Man

Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 224 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Um |
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Anda wrote: |
One of my students has a mother who works month in month out standing for 10 hours a day in a bolt & nut factory with no days off for 1,000 RMB a month. Her father does the same. You might think that most students from poor homes would study like mad to get ahead but this is not the case. Most have a defeatist attitude as only about 30% to 40% will find a good job after college / university and they know it. The rich kids think that their parents will support them for life so not much luck with many of them also. Expect about 30% to be into study.
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So true! By far I prefer to teach middle class students as they tend to have more involved parents and tend have a strong motivation to get ahead through education.
I used to teach poor students near the Mexican border and now I teach rich Kuwaitis. They both display the same lack of motivation only from different sources. The poor kids were fatalistic and the rich ones were often spoiled rotten and didn't see the point of doing anything. Honestly, in my opinion wealthy students are just as challenging to teach only they drive better cars (one girl at my school drives around in a custom painted pink Hummer) and have a superior attitude. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Kuwait! The ugliest country I have ever been to! |
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Mpho
Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 58
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: Placement agencies |
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A good place to look is Appalachians Abroad run by Marshall University. They do charge a fee, do require you spend some time in training and do have local agents in each city to take care of problems.
I have noticed though that many of the schools where they previously placed you are now not in the program. I haven't talke to the man in charge in a few years, but I suspect, they have had some problems with these schools.
I haven't used their program, because they mainly are in Eastern China.
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The_Hanged_Man

Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 224 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: |
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arioch36 wrote: |
Kuwait! The ugliest country I have ever been to! |
Heh, you're not going to hear any arguments from me on that one. When I arrive in Shenzhen in July it will actually be a step up in terms of natural beauty and environment.
Back on topic again, Peace Corps is another good option to look at for US citizens. I did Peace Corps in Uzbekistan from 1998-2000, and it was a great experience. Although obviously you are a volunteer and will only be paid enough to just get by. |
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eslstudies

Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Progams. Providences.
Go away. |
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Lorean
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 476 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Completely unnecessary. Find a job on your own. Make sure you have enough resources (cash, family, whatever...) to survive 3-6 months + airfare. |
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amphivera
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 27 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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A good place to look is Appalachians Abroad run by Marshall University. |
From the Appalachian's Abroad program website:
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Total Program Costs including the application fee: $1250 (**$950 for spring placement) |
Mind you that pricetag is for a one semester placement. 1250 dollars! If you're looking a job that pays about Y4500 (likely within the ballpark range for jobs secured through these types of programs because you have no say in salary negotiation) that's 2 months salary!
There are so many jobs out there, it's not worth going through a program. I can understand why, if you're a China newbie and have heard/read all the posts about unscrupulous employers, you might want a western organization backing you up. But this isn't a problem if you do your research, exercise common sense, and have modest savings to back you up in case things go wrong. |
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