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save $500 US per month in Mexico?
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Snowmeow



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject: save $500 US per month in Mexico? Reply with quote

Is saving $500 US a month a possibility as a teacher? Let's also suppose the teacher is living in a nice apartment in a safe neighborhood.

What is an excellent monthly income? 15,000 pesos/mo?

Is broadband internet available in Mexican homes?

Sorry! I am profoundly uninformed about Mexico but I am trying to learn.
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guatetaliana



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Location: Monterrey, Nuevo Le�n, Mexico

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexico doesn't strike me as a place to save money, especially if you want to live comfortably in an urban area.

We live in Monterrey and pay about $560 pesos a month for broadband/wireless internet + basic cable. We rent a great house in a nice sector of the city (We love our home and our neighborhood is a great place to live).

Buying food, gas, paying for utilities, and other daily necessities seems to take up a lot more income than we want. We basically don't own furniture. We go out with friends about once a month. With both of us teaching English, we still haven't been able to save any money after 6 months. But maybe others have had much better success with money and can share their tips.
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Snowmeow



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thank you for your response. I will cross my fingers but I may have to go elsewhere until I am debt free.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowmeow wrote:
I will cross my fingers but I may have to go elsewhere until I am debt free.


That's probably your best bet.
I know English teachers who save that kind of money, but they really work at it. And it would be a gamble. It's not impossible, but I don't think the majority of English teachers in Mexico are doing it. There are generally a lot of start up costs in Mexico, like g said--furniture, plus visa costs, plus 2 months rent up front on a lot of places. You will enjoy living in Mexico much more if you spend a couple of years working down that debt first.
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Snowmeow



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supposing I can in fact make 15000 to 16000 pesos a month, could I save about 4000 of it?

According to Global TESOL ESL teachers in Mex make 6000-7000 on average a month - I don't know how accurate that is though because I know that on that site they seriously underestimate income in Korea.

But if somebody can live with the quoted MEX income, it must be possible to save if one is making more

http://www.globaltesol.com/teach_english/mexico.php

Thanks for your replies.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you got a job paying 15,000 to 16,000 pesos (after taxes?) you could save 4000 or 5000 of it. You probably wouldn't have to scrimp and save, but you wouldn't be able to spend without thinking either...

I think in 2008 6-7000 would be the minimum to break even. I imagine that information is old. But I admit I have no idea what the average salary is.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it'd be difficult to save more than say $300 per month.
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Oreen Scott



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This piece of information may prove helpful. I haven't checked this out with the Mexican consulate, so this figure may be a little out of date, but to receive an FM3 visa to live in Mexico as a retiree you need to prove income of some sort in the amount to $1,100/month American and $600/month for each dependent.

So, someone in the Mexican bureaucracy decided that was the amount needed to prevent immgrants from living off the fat of the Mexican land, where there likely is very little fat.
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Snowmeow



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I will use that figure as a cost of living estimate for a foreigner in Mexico. I don't mean to draw any attention to myself I just didn't have any idea of what kind of expenses I might have, nor did I know what my pay was going to be. I found out earlier that my pay, if hired, will be much more than I expected earlier so I may not have any problems (it's not ESL teaching, sorry if I am breaking the rules of the forum).

What is the income tax rate? Around 30%?

I'll just keep my posts limited about life in Mexico after this
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J Sevigny



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would be absolutely impossible to save $500 US a month in Mexico unless you were earning close to 12,000 or 15,000 pesos and living in a very economical situation, with say, three roommates.

Standard of living is a really subjective thing. For me, 10,000 a month is what I need to survive in Monterrey. But buses here cost between 6 and 8 pesos, rent is more expensive, etc.
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Leo726



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rent in Monterrey is more expensive than...?
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dixie



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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buses here cost between 6 and 8 pesos


What?!?! Wow, I never really took the bus when I lived elsewhere in Mexico, but that seems sooooooo expensive! There were a lot of unhappy people here after Semana Santa when the metrobus went up a peso.....to $4.50. Peseros are usually no more than 5 pesos, for a long trip. And the metro is only 2 pesos. I love it.

Back on topic however, I do agree that saving $500 dollars a month will be quite the feat. It can be done, but you have to be really willing to save, and know how to do it.

The most I have ever put towards my own loan is $800 dollars, but that is with a double income.

If you make 15,000 pesos, that is likely before taxes (don�t forget this point as MELEE asked earlier). So what you bring home will be several thousand pesos less. Lets just say 12,000. You are left with 7,000 after deducting your loan payment, and from that you need rent, maybe utilities, food, and transportation. That is your minimum. That means no drinking, no smoking, no eating out, no social gatherings with friends (or maybe you could have one/month).

Of course, I�m looking more on the negative side of things, and perhaps you will be able to find the right place, don�t eat too much, don�t indulge in excessive spending (that would be the drinking, smoking, eating out), and will be able to happily live on what is left after your loan. Really, only you know how happy/sad you will be living a more conservative lifestyle.[/i]
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guatetaliana



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Location: Monterrey, Nuevo Le�n, Mexico

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leo726 wrote:
Rent in Monterrey is more expensive than...?

Leo, I'd say a decent place in MTY is gonna cost you upwards of $5,000 per month and that's most likely going to be unfurnished but ideally with a stove, refrigerator, and boiler. This would be for a small house in a sector like Cumbres or Contry, or even San Nicol�s. If you want to live in some kind of nice apartment right in the center it will probably be more than that.

You might check out some housing at http://rentero.com.mx just to get a feel for what's out there.
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MikeySaid



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After taxes and everything I was making about 9,000 a month and the school provided my housing. I saw clean apartments in the city for 2,500-3,500 a month though. Renting a house with a couple of roommates could make your rent even lower.

All that said, I was saving 5,000 to 7,000 a month. So subtract 3,500 off of that and you're down to 150 to 350 dollars a month of savings if I had been paying rent. I think saving 500 a month would be difficult without teaching privates or having a really good paying job or getting free housing from your school.
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FreddyM



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: saving Reply with quote

I think it's doable but it depends on a lot of factors like others have said. I manage to save that much, if not more, on average taking the entire year into account, making only about $10k take home cash a month, living in DF, renting an apt on my own. Of course, I do depend on vales, fondo de ahorro, aguinaldo, and various other opportunities to earn some money from the school throughout the year to bump up the savings (I don't do private classes). I don't socialize a lot, but don't do completely without either. So, it's not impossible, but might be difficult if you make less than $10k a month, want to live in a really nice place, and enjoy spending your money on the "good things in life."
If you have a reason for saving, some greater goal you are saving up for, you might be more motivated. I want to eventually buy my own place in DF, and the prices are expensive...so I have to do this if I ever want to realize that goal.
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