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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Ethics (when in Rome) Reply with quote

Is it ethical to charge more for a private class if you know the client is fairly affluent?
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course!!!! Very Happy

I suppose the serious answer is that this is question of gauging the possible consequenses rather than the ethics. If this is likely to be a one-off, then no problem. If this person could be in a position to get you more clients, I would be wary of going over the top as the strategy could backfire on you at a later date.

The ethical question is a matter for your conscience, but from my point of view, where big bucks are to be made, I don't have one. Twisted Evil Maybe it's my inner-Mexican Wink
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Oreen Scott



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil:

I don't think it's your inner Mexican, or maybe it is? Anyway, I'd call it a sliding scale and it can be a nice way to give a less fortune person a break, as long as the less fortunate person isn't humilated by such a break.

It's like a senior citizen discount. Or kids under 6 getting in free to something or other. . .I suppose it could also be called "charge what the market will bear."
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wildchild



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with oreen: it's all about how you frame it.

You're not charging the affluent, more; you're charging the poor, less.

Very Happy

I'm not sure how this would work in Mexico but, like oreen said, you set a sliding scale with a high standard price which adjusts down for folks of low income.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the client said, 'Charge me whatever a language school would charge me', which was when my inner-Mexican thought of charging him more than usual. Just trying to work out which language school I am.

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I suppose the serious answer is that this is question of gauging the possible consequenses rather than the ethics.

Good point, and not something my inner-Mexican would have worried about. Razz

You see it in the markets though, they charge according to the way you're dressed and the colour of your skin if you're haggling.
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MikeySaid



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A potential client offered me 200 an hour for her husbands classes, and it sounded like quite a bit to me until I found out the urgency of learning. As a pilot for Mexicana, he had to learn a sizable chunk of English to keep his job, essentially.

People will pay what they think it is worth. If they are affluent, they probably know what is a rip-off and what isn't.
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GueroPaz



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend knew that I charged a certain rate for private lessons. His language school charges 70% more to the students, so he uses me to teach test preps, and I get the same net rate. Because all my clients are evangelicals, I give discounts of about 15% to missionary families. But the non-missionary families would understand why, if they found out. The exchange rate for Korean won is so bad that I lowered my prices for the next four months by about 9%. But I publish my standard rate, so there is no haggling over the rate.

If I knew a student lived in substandard housing, and needed a discount, I might tell them to pay me for 40 minutes and I would teach them 45 to 60 minutes each time.
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mapache



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dilemma is what to do with private students who have been with me for two years or more and are paying the old rate. When I started, I charged 60 pesos per hour (hey, it's Chiapas and that's what the private schools paid when they actually paid their teachers) but I now charge 100 or more. Is it fair for new students to pay more than the old ones? I have increased old rate to 70 but still wish everyone paid 100. As every good salesperson knows, however, it's a lot harder to get loyal new clients than to keep the old ones.
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Linda T.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mapache,

Regarding raising the rates for those students who have been with you for a while . . . my suggestion would be to find out how it is normally done by the locals at the barber or beauty shops. I've been going to the same place in the states for years to get my hair cut. When I would ask my hairdrersser if her rates had gone up, she would just tell me they were still the same for me. Once, I felt so guilty that I just raised them on myself. Then, another time I saw that there was just a card on the counter saying the rates had gone up by $5.00. That might be a good way to do it . . . post that the rates have gone up, but leave it up to the students whether they pay it or not. The bottom line, though, is probably, how is this usually done within the culture where you are teaching. My hairdresser WAS born in Mexico, but she's been here forever so I don't know that her roots have anything to do with her reluctance to raise the rates on me. My piano teacher, on the other hand, just sends out a notice to every student whenever the rates go up. I'm always a little offended since my hairdresser has me so spoiled . . . but then I remember that the cost of everything else continually goes up so my piano teacher needs to charge more if she's to meet her own expenses.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also for mapache -- Raising rates for long-time students can be tricky, and two years shows a lot of loyalty and commitment on their part. You could bring up inflation as a reason for raising your rates, but going from 70 pesos an hour to 100 is a jump of almost 50%! Perhaps you could mention the possibility of raising them to 80 or 85 and see how they react. In the long run, I think that you may have to resign yourself getting different rates from your students according to when they began their classes with you.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
two years shows a lot of loyalty and commitment on their part.


30 or more pesos less per hour for proven, committed students who are reliable and don't cancel? I'd take that option every time.
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GueroPaz



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gary Denness wrote:
MO39 wrote:
two years shows a lot of loyalty and commitment on their part.


30 or more pesos less per hour for proven, committed students who are reliable and don't cancel? I'd take that option every time.
Agreed. If those long term students are like the ones I have had for 15 months, they have hopefully referred several new clients to you. Maybe you can ask them for some new referrals, and mention the current price.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheLongWayHome wrote:
Just trying to work out which language school I am.


Only the cream of the crop language schools would hire well qualified bilingual native speakers with years of experience. You get what you pay for.


But what I think is the right thing to do, if you can find this information, is take the amount language schools charge students per hour and the amount language schools pay teachers per hour and set your rate right in the middle of those two. The student pays less, so has no reason to "go to the competition" and you make more than you would working for the competition. A win-win situation.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As every good salesperson knows, however, it's a lot harder to get loyal new clients than to keep the old ones.


Mmmm, I wouldn't bank on that, there is another school of thought that that is one of the big mistakes of many companies. So much effort spent on finding new clients, and next to little effort spent on keeping the existing ones happy - I recently read an article to that effect in Mundo Ejecutivo.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But what I think is the right thing to do, if you can find this information, is take the amount language schools charge students per hour and the amount language schools pay teachers per hour and set your rate right in the middle of those two. The student pays less, so has no reason to "go to the competition" and you make more than you would working for the competition. A win-win situation.

Good point. I think that would end up being between about $80 and $100 the hour here though there is a huge gap between what a school charges for private lessons with a certain teacher and what the school pays the teacher - usually the same hourly rate!

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So much effort spent on finding new clients, and next to little effort spent on keeping the existing ones happy - I recently read an article to that effect in Mundo Ejecutivo.

I've seen this a lot, particularly in language schools. Students will stay in a school sometimes purely for sentimental value, to socialise, even to go through the levels with the same people. School owners know this and bank on the sentimental value Mexicans place on those things, taking it as a given that they won't leave the school until they run out of levels.
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