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Leo726
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 Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Do you know this school in Mexico City? |
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| The website is exebe.com, Executive Business English Mexico. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Never heard of it. Many of the business English "schools" aren't really schools at all. Rather, a longtime teacher or another person witha little capital and planing has gotten some contracts to teach in a company or companies. When it becomes too much for one person, they hire someone else to take some of the load. This continues as the "school" expands. Of course if they lose a contract you lose hours and/or your job.
There are also many actual schools that also teach company classes. These tend to be less of the fly-by-night variety. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
Never heard of it. Many of the business English "schools" aren't really schools at all. Rather, a longtime teacher or another person witha little capital and planing has gotten some contracts to teach in a company or companies. When it becomes too much for one person, they hire someone else to take some of the load. This continues as the "school" expands. Of course if they lose a contract you lose hours and/or your job.
There are also many actual schools that also teach company classes. These tend to be less of the fly-by-night variety. |
Thanks for posting my biography!! 
(BTW, that doesn't mean this "School" is mine, but we all have to earn a living, and it's better than working  ) |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Phil_K wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
Never heard of it. Many of the business English "schools" aren't really schools at all. Rather, a longtime teacher or another person witha little capital and planing has gotten some contracts to teach in a company or companies. When it becomes too much for one person, they hire someone else to take some of the load. This continues as the "school" expands. Of course if they lose a contract you lose hours and/or your job.
There are also many actual schools that also teach company classes. These tend to be less of the fly-by-night variety. |
Thanks for posting my biography!!
(BTW, that doesn't mean this "School" is mine, but we all have to earn a living, and it's better than working ) |
No prob! BTW another American teacher and I are planning on doing the same thing and more. Making $20,000 MXN plus vales just isn't enough for me, I want more. So, we'll be in business soon. Stealing contracts from other schools, underbidding them, hiring Mexican teachers on the cheap and grabbing up starry-eyed, lib. arts major gringas that think they are doing a community service and we'll pay them all between 50-80 pesos per hour. I can't wait!  |
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Mike S.
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Location: New York City
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, we gonna get over, homie! |
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guatetaliana
Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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Location: Monterrey, Nuevo Le�n, Mexico
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
No prob! BTW another American teacher and I are planning on doing the same thing and more. Making $20,000 MXN plus vales just isn't enough for me, I want more. So, we'll be in business soon. Stealing contracts from other schools, underbidding them, hiring Mexican teachers on the cheap and grabbing up starry-eyed, lib. arts major gringas that think they are doing a community service and we'll pay them all between 50-80 pesos per hour. I can't wait! |
I take it you're proud of this. Sounds like you've embraced the business mentality that has made this world such a great place to live in. Making a killing off people less fortunate or more ignorant.
I feel naive and idealistic to be saying this, but why is this what people have to do to make it in the world? Money's important, but I think so is integrity and professionalism. |
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corporatehuman
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Mexico City
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| I feel naive and idealistic to be saying this, but why is this what people have to do to make it in the world? Money's important, but I think so is integrity and professionalism. |
You make a good point. Most people figure if everyone is doing the same thing they mine as well do it too. And it makes more money. |
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dixie
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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Location: D.F
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| guatetaliana wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
No prob! BTW another American teacher and I are planning on doing the same thing and more. Making $20,000 MXN plus vales just isn't enough for me, I want more. So, we'll be in business soon. Stealing contracts from other schools, underbidding them, hiring Mexican teachers on the cheap and grabbing up starry-eyed, lib. arts major gringas that think they are doing a community service and we'll pay them all between 50-80 pesos per hour. I can't wait! |
I take it you're proud of this. Sounds like you've embraced the business mentality that has made this world such a great place to live in. Making a killing off people less fortunate or more ignorant.
I feel naive and idealistic to be saying this, but why is this what people have to do to make it in the world? Money's important, but I think so is integrity and professionalism. |
Couldn�t agree with you more. I have always wondered why more schools don�t work on integrity and professionalism. I realize it might not make the the quick buck, but it certainly has to help them make it long term, and grow. Many schools shut down, or are just able to stay afloat, because they lack those very qualities. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| dixie wrote: |
| guatetaliana wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
No prob! BTW another American teacher and I are planning on doing the same thing and more. Making $20,000 MXN plus vales just isn't enough for me, I want more. So, we'll be in business soon. Stealing contracts from other schools, underbidding them, hiring Mexican teachers on the cheap and grabbing up starry-eyed, lib. arts major gringas that think they are doing a community service and we'll pay them all between 50-80 pesos per hour. I can't wait! |
I take it you're proud of this. Sounds like you've embraced the business mentality that has made this world such a great place to live in. Making a killing off people less fortunate or more ignorant.
I feel naive and idealistic to be saying this, but why is this what people have to do to make it in the world? Money's important, but I think so is integrity and professionalism. |
Couldn�t agree with you more. I have always wondered why more schools don�t work on integrity and professionalism. I realize it might not make the the quick buck, but it certainly has to help them make it long term, and grow. Many schools shut down, or are just able to stay afloat, because they lack those very qualities. |
What's up with you people?
Yes, I am proud. I believe in the free market. I am proud to be American. I believe that I can provide a good service and hire decent teachers. I am not under or over paying teachers. I will pay what the market pays. For institute classes that ranges from $40-80 pesos per hour, rarely more.
No, I don't apologize for wanting a piece of the pie. I am tired of seeing other people open up shop and making good money while I just slave away for the owners to make all the profit. I've paid my dues, now it's time to collect.
Integrity? Professionalism? What are you talking about? I don't have to pay more than everyone else. I am telling people what I pay, and what the work is like. No hidden secrets. I will provide quality classes to my students and pay my teachers on time. I will reward people for good performance and assist those that need help to develop as teachers. I am not going to hire someone from the US and just fire them a week or two later like many schools do. I will help them settle in, learn the job and support them anyway I can. What else am I supposed to do? Pay three times what all the other schools pay so I can feel all warm and fuzzy? I don't think so. |
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geaaronson
Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Dr. Gringo. |
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| First you say that you are eager to make a lot of money by exploiting teachers in your new business venture, then you backtrack and say, �NO you only want your piece of the pie�. Which is it? Or is it both? Sounds like you only want to make money and don`t care in the least about the product you are putting out. For that, shame on you. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: Marxism or Capatlism? |
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| First you say that you are eager to make a lot of money by exploiting teachers in your new business venture, then you backtrack and say, �NO you only want your piece of the pie�. Which is it? Or is it both? Sounds like you only want to make money and don`t care in the least about the product you are putting out. For that, shame on you. |
My original post was meant to be sarcastic anyways. I guess some people don't have the same sense of humor as me 
Well, let me see. I am not a socialist, or a commie flag waving Che wanna be, so I want to make money. I am not going to open a charity. Why are you and the others so upset? Because I said the truth and didn't sugar coat it? 
How are Mexican schools? Do they pay any better or treat teachers better? Show me a school that does better. Tell me what they pay and what they offer. Then we can talk. 
What is exploitation? Taking advantage of people and being unfair. I am going to pay fair (a market average), pay on time, and I am not going to lie and beat around the bush like so many others do. 
I don't care about the product? Are you OK? Of course I care that my students learn, have a good time and enjoy the classes. They won't come back if they don't. Shame on you and everyone else that lives in an illusion world. I didn't come to Mexico to do a good turn. I knew that the people with money are the ones that are going to have the money to pay for English classes. Not the 60% in poverty. 
Teaching English is a huge, multi-national, cross-border business. Never forget that as English teachers we are at the forefront of globalization and freetrade. We are helping to "Americanize" the world, whether we like it or not. That's the reality of things. People don't take English because they want to create a socialist or leftist society. Look at AMLO, he can't speak English and he doesn't even have a passport. We are helping to create a global market and break down isolationist ideology everytime we step into a class. The major chains and the TEFL cert people are making .....millions? Billions? More? Look at the big players in ESL, they are raking in the dough and I don't see anyone objecting to them doing that. Ohh, no! Let an ESL teacher want to start up his own school and tell it like it is and he gets clobbered on this forum. Funny 
I also shop at Wal-Mart de Mexico every week. I guess I'm evil for that too! 
I think you guys just got bent out of shape 'cause someone finally says how things are here and how schools really work. Like in the colegios teaching fresa kids. People come here with N.American ideas or whatever and have a really hard time of it. Why? Because in Mexico kids with money WILL pass and get their certificates. Why? This IS Mexico. If your students don't pass, you don't have a job next year and someone changes their grades so they pass anyways. I've seen it happen. So why fight it? Just go with the flow and give the kids a passing grade. I don't mean take bribes and have no morals, just understand how things really are here, not how you want them to be/think they should be. So, just give that terrible student a 6, not a 10, not a 5. Why? Like I said they will pass anyways and you will get in trouble, not them. Besides, those kids will have real problems in a few years when they are in university, so this creates job security as they will want private classes or study in a language school. Welcome to Mexico 
Good luck to everyone, really. I don't mean anything harmful by what I've said. I Hope that all the ESL teachers can be succesful and make a good living at what they do. |
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Mike S.
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| Yeah, if you ain't volunteerin' you is a capatilist! |
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MELEE
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Marxism or Capatlism? |
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I haven't gotten envolved until now because I could see the "wide eyed liberal arts major gringas" comment was cheeky. I think it's great if you start a school--too many people running English language schools in Mexico don't know anything about the English language (like most of the franchise owners) so it's great to see a teacher-run place (or at least the plans for one). And I hope you do pay and charge fair prices--that's the best way to be successful in business.
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Teaching English is a huge, multi-national, cross-border business. Never forget that as English teachers we are at the forefront of globalization and freetrade. We are helping to "Americanize" the world, whether we like it or not... ...We are helping to create a global market and break down isolationist ideology everytime we step into a class. |
When I step into a classroom I'm not helping to "Americanize" the world. I want my students to retain their cultural values AND languages. There is not a finite amount of knowledge a person can have. Learning English does not mean we are detracting from local culture customs or languages. (you're actually sounding like the extreme left of southern Mexico here--who happen to be anti-English instruction).
So what AM I doing each time I step in a classroom? What keeps me at this job? The thought that I'm giving students options to make choices--empowering them to take themselves where ever they want to go and NOT be trampled by the global market. So they can launch their own original Mexican ideas into the world. There, I hope I'm helping to "Mexicanize" the world. By teaching Mexicans to talk to the rest of the world. And things like this , make me think I'm on the right track. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Marxism or Capatlism? |
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I haven't gotten envolved until now because I could see the "wide eyed liberal arts major gringas" comment was cheeky. I think it's great if you start a school--too many people running English language schools in Mexico don't know anything about the English language (like most of the franchise owners) so it's great to see a teacher-run place (or at least the plans for one). And I hope you do pay and charge fair prices--that's the best way to be successful in business.
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Teaching English is a huge, multi-national, cross-border business. Never forget that as English teachers we are at the forefront of globalization and freetrade. We are helping to "Americanize" the world, whether we like it or not... ...We are helping to create a global market and break down isolationist ideology everytime we step into a class. |
When I step into a classroom I'm not helping to "Americanize" the world. I want my students to retain their cultural values AND languages. There is not a finite amount of knowledge a person can have. Learning English does not mean we are detracting from local culture customs or languages. (you're actually sounding like the extreme left of southern Mexico here--who happen to be anti-English instruction).
So what AM I doing each time I step in a classroom? What keeps me at this job? The thought that I'm giving students options to make choices--empowering them to take themselves where ever they want to go and NOT be trampled by the global market. So they can launch their own original Mexican ideas into the world. There, I hope I'm helping to "Mexicanize" the world. By teaching Mexicans to talk to the rest of the world. And things like this , make me think I'm on the right track. |
First of all, thanks for not going off the deep-end and seeing the point in what I said in the first place.
To reply to the second part, I still believe that we are helping to make the world a much smaller place and that's a good thing. Now if you want to believe that by enabling your students to communicate with the world will help them to share their Mexican culture and ideas with others that's great.
I was saying that by keeping people uni-cultural and uni-lingual like what exists in many places and with many people helps to continue to keep the doors of understanding, trade, migration, and diplomacy closed. I think that's one thing that both Mexico and the USA share. A single language, dominate culture (more so in Mexico) and as a result people are often afraid of the unknown and different. Look at how people are reacting to Barack Obama in the US or to the PEMEX reforms in Mexico. It's easier to strike fear into and cause people to react blindly when their emotions are involved and they don't understand the issues.
I am always amazed by the lack of understanding and ignorance between the US and Mexico. It saddens me to hear Mexicans speak badly about the US, its people and whatnot. Blindly painting a country of 300 million with a broad brush and demonizing the #1 trade partner of Mexico. At the same time, Americans are sadly unaware of all the contributions that Mexico has made to the US and to our culture, economy and history.
Many Americans have little or no knowledge about Mexico, its history, culture, economy, people or relationship with the US. I have heard all too often Americans make statements about Mexico and Mexicans that are laced with falsehoods, ignorance, and sadly sometimes, rascism. As long as Americans continue to view Mexico as a source of cheap labor, a party destination or as the butt of cheap jokes we'll continue to foster the negativity that exists between us. |
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luzdeluna
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I have to agree with Melee on this one. And I must point out that this American has absolutely no intention of Americanizing anyone! We have much to learn from other cultures.
Also, not every school is paying such low wages. I am being paid 100 pesos per hour, living in a small town with lower living expenses. |
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